Questions about gains (good or bad)

redub · Post by **redub** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:21 pm

Hi all,

I was just wondering, if someone could offer a bit of advice on program.

I have been working out for about 3 months now, started off at 5'10" and 145lbs. I didnt take initial measurements, but I did measure myself in 2nd month of working out.

Right now, I am up to about 164lbs, and I have put on about an inch everywhere I have been working out. goal is to bulk up a bit, but I dont want to get huge, Im thinking about 170-175, then go for tone.

Is about 1 inch a month considered good gains? I guess I should mention, I didnt add any size on waist, actually lost a bit.

I have been working out every other day, recently a personal trainer friend of mine, told me, if I wanted to bulk up, to try working out 5 days on, and then 2 days off.

It just didnt sound right to me, as I know the muscles need time to recover, but he is the personal trainer.

I think I am what is considered a "hard gainer." I have alot of trouble eating every 2-3 hours, I just cant eat that often, I feel like I am force feeding myself. Any one have some advice on this?

Could someone shed some light on these subjects for me?

miller1089 · Post by **miller1089** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:09 pm

first of all it'd be helpful if you said how old you are that will shed more light on your metabolism.

and for the 5 day split your friend mentioned he meant to train each muscle group once a week.

and about eatting 5-6 meals a day each meal should contain between 800-900 calories no more otherwise youll vomit while lifting, which is extremely counter productive.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:55 pm

- "go for tone"???...if you eat clean now you won't need to do any "toneing" phase which you can't do anyway...tone is simply muscle mass with little
- i don;t like when people put actual wt numbers out there to reach...what if get to 168 and look perfect? would you still aim for 175 even though you might look worse??
- you'll gain pretty easily in the first 3mths of training no matter what you do...i gained 15pds in about 3mths when I first started (3 x full body/week) with a shit load of running and no food...i was tiny though (55kgs at age 18)
- as long as your waist stays the same at least you're on the right track
- 5 days straight is retarted and you can tell them I said that...he's giving other pt's like me a bad name and there's enough morons out there already...ask him if he trains like that
- there's no "hardgainers" just those who don't eat...it's simple, if you wanna get bigger, you've gotta eat more, there's no way around it...eat 7 small meals every 3 hours will be easier...eat til your content then eat again when your hungry

redub · Post by **redub** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:14 pm

swanso5 wrote:- "go for tone"???...if you eat clean now you won't need to do any "toneing" phase which you can't do anyway...tone is simply muscle mass with little
- i don;t like when people put actual wt numbers out there to reach...what if get to 168 and look perfect? would you still aim for 175 even though you might look worse??
- you'll gain pretty easily in the first 3mths of training no matter what you do...i gained 15pds in about 3mths when I first started (3 x full body/week) with a shit load of running and no food...i was tiny though (55kgs at age 18)
- as long as your waist stays the same at least you're on the right track
- 5 days straight is retarted and you can tell them I said that...he's giving other pt's like me a bad name and there's enough morons out there already...ask him if he trains like that
- there's no "hardgainers" just those who don't eat...it's simple, if you wanna get bigger, you've gotta eat more, there's no way around it...eat 7 small meals every 3 hours will be easier...eat til your content then eat again when your hungry

Well Im new to the whole training thing, so when I said "go for tone" I guess I figured when i would bulk up, and then need to tone up somewhat. I wasnt aware, that it would be possible to put on size, while keeping it toned.

Also as for weight, I just use it as a comparison, friend who is the same height as me, is 175, and he is the size I want to be =)

As to eating, I do eat quite a bit, but once I hit 160, it seems the weight is coming much slower. When you say "small meals" what would that entail?
Small is a bit of a subjective word =)

Thank you for the relpies!

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:44 pm

small will be different for everyone but small would be a palm sized portion of solid protein (100g or so) and 1cp veg / 1 peice of fruit...i have 10 of these sized meals a day

silent1029 · Post by **silent1029** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:05 pm

I think I am what is considered a "hard gainer." I have alot of trouble eating every 2-3 hours, I just cant eat that often, I feel like I am force feeding myself. Any one have some advice on this?

Same here. It's really hard for me to eat every 3 hours. Especially since i only have 7 minutes to get to classes in school so I really don't have enough time to eat every 3 hours.

small will be different for everyone but small would be a palm sized portion of solid protein (100g or so) and 1cp veg / 1 peice of fruit...i have 10 of these sized meals a day

and by 100g or so you mean like total it will be 100g? or 100g's of protein?[/quote]

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:09 pm

silent1029 wrote:
I think I am what is considered a "hard gainer." I have alot of trouble eating every 2-3 hours, I just cant eat that often, I feel like I am force feeding myself. Any one have some advice on this?
Same here. It's really hard for me to eat every 3 hours. Especially since i only have 7 minutes to get to classes in school so I really don't have enough time to eat every 3 hours.

small will be different for everyone but small would be a palm sized portion of solid protein (100g or so) and 1cp veg / 1 peice of fruit...i have 10 of these sized meals a day
and by 100g or so you mean like total it will be 100g? or 100g's of protein?

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swanso said recently, smoker find time to smoke, guys who gain mass find time to eat ! lol that was a good one

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:22 pm

if you want it enough you'll find a way to do it

7mins - couldn't take more than 3mins to eat a banana and a tin of tuna could it? i eat btw client's at work in about that time

it will be 100g of 'food", the actual peice of meat which will yeild about 25 - 30g protein for most meats

silent1029 · Post by **silent1029** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:26 pm

oo ok. but i also have to get all books from locker and 90% of teachers don't let us eat except when we're in the cafeteria so yeah =(.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:31 pm

do the ole "i'm going to the toilet" trick mid calss and eat instead