What would you do?

[Nokie173]

What would you do?

I am in the middle of moving and this weekend, I was painting and cleaning the place up (tiring and lots of labor work!)

I was at the new house early in the morning 6AM. I already had oatmeal & eggs before I went there. Once I got there, brother took car to run some errands and would NOT be back until another 5-6 hours. I didn't realized left backpack in car with all snacks!

mom bought food to last us until lunch… which brother will bring. By 9-10AM I was hungry and was stuck with food mom brought - All kinds of Donuts, Danish, Cookies, coffee cake, Bagels & cream cheese (side note: no plain or wheat bagels)... I am no where close to a restaurant and will have to walk miles before I can reach a decent place.

So… What would you do? Eat a donut and coffee or wait for the car to be back and starve for the next 6 hours plus and keep on drinking water?

Guess what was for lunch?? – PIZZA.....

[fitoverforty]

Sometimes we are going to be placed in situations where we are at the mercy of food provided (not our choices). I don't think it is a good idea to starve for 6 hours, especially since you were doing alot of labor and your body needed energy. I would have chosen a small serving of what i thought was the least damaging calorie and sugar wise and drank alot of water throughout the day. It is not like you weren't working it off! And if you had a slice (or two ) of pizza, it is not the end of the world - ENJOY IT! Just work a little harder, a little longer at your next workout.
....was it pepperoni? yummmm..lets see....cheese has protein, tomato's (sauce) has Vitamins, any veggie toppings are good for you...the bread, well..3 out of 4 isn't bad!

[ironwill]

Before finding this site, I would have said just don't eat, but now I would agree with Brent and Lynne. I was faced with this camping, as near the end of our time, we were running out of the food I preferred, and I had to make the healthiest choice possible. I don't know all the science behind it, and how your body decides wether its going to consume fat or muscle, but from what I've read here is the "starve" yourself route will generally lead to muscle loss, and feeling weak. What did you end up doing?

[cassiegose]

Oh thats a tough one Nokie. I think I would have waited until car got back so i could eat food. However, I don't having a bagel (no cream cheese) would have set you back too much. As you said, you were working hard so i'm sure you would have burned it off. Question... Does your family seriously eat like that all the time? Yikes! Thats hard to watch loved ones cram crap into their bodies... I really have to bite tounge when I see dad (who is overweight and has a family history of heart disease) eating unhealthy food. Ok so now do tell.. What did you do?

[Nokie173]

I worked too hard to improve and speed up metabolism… I couldn’t starve myself!
I drank a lot of water that day… more than usual…

I had me a bagel no cream cheese topping…then still got hungry…
Had half of powdered donut… still got hungry
Had half of cheese Danish ( favorite… such a guilty pleasure…)
Went back and finished the other half of the cheese Danish….
Had 2 cookies…. Forgot what kind…
Finished a whole piece of coffee cake
3 cups of black coffee (1 cup is usually enough for me but for some reason... I needed 3!)
(Basically I had a little of everything – Once I started… I couldn’t stop!!!)

Pizza was from Costco:
1- Large Combo and the other one was half cheese & half pepperoni & cheese.

I already felt guilty eating all those junk in the morning...
I couldn’t eat pizza I would totally punished myself big time!
brother came back with car & pizza so I drove to wherever I can find that’s healthy! I found subway!!!!

Although... Pizza would have been a great pleasure if I didn’t eat all those junk in the morning!!!

After a nice decent meal, I was ready to paint the ceilings!

For dinner, I went back to little apt and made me some grilled chicken breast and steam veggies!
I wanted to go to the gym to workout some more… but I was already exhausted!

Yes, family is very unhealthy! mom, dad and brother have high pressure… except me! We eat a lot of Asian food that consist a lot of sodium and very high in cholesterol.
If we need quick and easy food… they pick up fast food!

I try to avoid those things… I can do it most of the time because I don’t live with them!
But it is hard trying to change their eating habits/diets… especially for dad!
(Why are parents soooo stubborn!!!)

[fitoverforty]

But it is hard trying to change their eating habits/diets…

Unfortunately, you can't change their eating habits/diets.....only they can. I have learned this the hard way. It is SO hard to watch your loved ones live and eat such unhealthy ways on a daily basis. The only thing you can do is lead by example. Just continue like you are doing, and eat healthy around them, when you can. No one is perfect and there will be days when we make a less than stellar choice in food, that is just being human. But hopefully by seeing the steady progress you have made, and with you sharing with them HOW you are doing it, with healthy eating and exercise, they may make some adjustments of their own.
Yes, parents can be very stubborn when it comes to their children trying to give them advice! Even when they KNOW it is in their best interests.

I'm glad you were able to finish your day with a healthy meal of your own cooking.

[Boss Man]

Eat the Pizza by just prizing the bits of Meat and Tomato off the top and leaving the rest.

I know about parents. I've a fat smoking mother on 3 types of Meds.

What's worse is she had a Gallbladder removed about 20 years ago, as it became inflamed, or something like that and she was in pain.

She might have tried to change her ways then, but she met someone in supermarket apprently, who basically said it's great having your Gallbladder out, as you can eat whatever you want, and it's not a problem.

Subsequantly the approach taken after that was, as soon as I'm able to eat normally again, I'm having a Cheeseburger.

Whichever moronic woman, it was a woman so I believe, said that, needed a damn good bollocking, for being a dumb idiot.

I get stupid stuff like, I can't eat breakfast, it makes me feel like I want to sick, but strangely she does it when she's away in hotels, as if Hotel breakfasts have magic properties, that prevent the onset of these so-called feelings.

What's really stupid is one of medications is Ramipril, a Blod Pessure medication. It's not even something I've ever heard of, with a legitimate reason for people to need it for life, it's one you end up on with poor lifestyle changes, not as a side effect of something else, or some autoimmune disease, or neurologial condition, something like that. Not that I'm aware of anyway.

Simple changes to life could get her off it maybe, but that won't happen, because it's easier to get free meds once a month, than eat more and better food, and try some basic exercise, as those things take time and money, but they would prevent other issues, instead of a medication stemming one issue, not preventing others.

Basic laziness really, and it does piss me off, so I know where you're coming from Nokie, I really do .

[cassiegose]

Bossman... that is SO frustrating about your mom! Hopefully someday soon she will realize what she is doing to her body and start taking some of your advice.

Nokie.... So you had a few treats. I wouldn't sweat it too much. Good job turning down the pizza and regaining control of your diet for the day! Usually when I fall off the wagon I fall off HARD, then get run over by it, then get drug behind it for miles, then lay there in the dirt feeling guilty and physically sick for all crap I ate. After eating all those treats I probably (if i wasn't training for this show) would have finished off day with the pizza. The fact that you went and worked out again and made yourself some grilled chicken and veggies shows a great deal of self control. Good for you girl!

As for the painting... I sooo feel your pain! I'm in the middle of moving, painting, and remodeling also and I'm pretty much fed up with the whole process. Just a few more days for me and I should be done. Wish I lived closer to you.. I'd come help!

[swanso5]

it worse to miss a meal then to eat badly, just be sensible about it

[RK19]

never starve yourself! if im out and about and have no access to usual foods i will eat whats at hand rather than go hungry. the way i see it is that if your in it for the long haul a "bad" meal when nothing else is available is no big deal.

[Nokie173]

Thank you all for your opinions! Next time if I’m in that situation again… I’ll try to have better self control… But because I was doing so much intensive labor work … I got so hungry! Also because I’ve been depriving body from those JUNK food, once I had a taste of it... I couldn’t stop!

Nevertheless, I am proud of myself for ending with a healthy meal and running away from the pizza!

The next day, same routine but this time… I took backpack out of the car and left it in the kitchen!!!

Thanks for your understanding about love ones eating unhealthy food!
It is frustrating and annoying at times when they just don’t listen for their own health!

What pissed me off the other day was when I found out dad have been eating fish!
A whole lot of them too…. (Before anybody jump in to conclusion, let me explain why he shouldn’t eat them… although fish is healthy)

I’ve been working with dad’s doctor and his dialysis doctor about his diet. By improving his diet to very low or no protein it will help him avoid dialysis longer. We gave him a meal plan to inform him no meat/protein!

For his next appt I though his result was going to be better… instead it got worse. The doctor has to increase his medication & increase his shot!

Since dad cannot work, he has been helping out at this community center. I found out, this one man told dad it is ok to eat FISH! That man said… It’s not red meat so it shouldn’t affect his health! So instead of eating chicken, beef, or pork… he has been enjoying a whole lot of fish… way more than he should…
I told him… Fish is protein and it will affect his kidney!
I’m not sure if he is actually listening to me or that stupid man at the community center…
But he will be on dialysis in a few more months because he just didn’t listen to me when I’m trying best to explain and help him!

[Boss Man]

The guy at the community centre need a bollicking.

As if saying Fish isn't red Meat, so people on Dialysis can eat loads of it, is ever going to be sound advice.

That's like telling people with Gout, you can have a cup of Coffee, because a little Caffiene converting to Uric Acid, isn't as bad as all the Nitrogen conversion from Protein and Saturates in something like a Box of Mcnuggets.

Still going to produce Uric Acid though.

[fitoverforty]

dad has diabetes, not on dialysis yet tho'
I am curious as to the removal of protein from your dad's diet - what does that do exactly?
I can just hear dad if I told him to eliminate protein! "What? no meat? what am I supposed to eat?! I can't have sugar, flour, carbs...and now no protein!!, You people are trying to kill me!!!"
I worry about him everyday, but also know that it is out of control. People get set in their ways, and are VERY resistant to permanent change, even when it can mean a better quality of life.

[Nokie173]

Without getting so technical and using those big words that I cannot pronounce (the ones bossman uses )
By avoiding dialysis treatment… low to no protein diet will help decrease the protein load on the kidney and slow down the progression of kidney disease/ failure.
Depending on how your kidney is functioning (can be determine with laboratory blood test)
The doctor will determine how much is safe to intake with the laboratory result.
Protein is just one part… He also has to limit his sodium and potassium as well…

But once he is on dialysis treatment … its ok for him to have a normal protein intake.

**If your dad has both diabetes & kidney diseases… he might have to cut out carbs too!

dad said the same thing… “This doctor is trying to kill me! I can’t even eat anything anymore…How can I enjoy life when I can’t even enjoy eating good food…”

I told him… “Maybe you could have avoided this if you took better care of yourself & health when you were younger!!!”

[Boss Man]

Presumably he is having the regular Dialysis, in a hospital, as opposed to the one that can be administered at home through the abdominal area.

Yes as Nokie already said, lower Protein reduces Kidney stress, because high Protein and things like Salt, can cause Kidney Stones.

Anyone who might be suffering Kidney problems, could potentially tell, if they started getting Hematuria, (Blood in the Urine). That could be a big tell tale sign, if it happened quite a bit.

Dialysis machines are designed to help filter and clean blood, to remove problem substances / contaminants.

It's a harsh lesson for some, having to go through these things. It's not something people think about, and for older folks, the availability of information, coupled with medical understanding back in the day, when some people get into these less than perfect lifestyle patterns, have lead to people getting bad reality checks in their 50's and over.

Time, the media and research, should lessen the incidence of such harsh realities, but it will never eliminate them, no matter how aggressively and frequently, you force feed certain health messages down peoples throats.