Just wondering what everyone’s opinion is on pre workout supps like em? Hate em?. which ones people have found to work or not work.
I have tried 3 different ones and I love the NO! I don’t like going to the gym without. The prob is the price stupid expensive for what you get from them. I say if you have some money to waste on supps worth a try. I get awesome long lasting pumps and intense focus.
Gaspri nutrition Supperpump 250 = 9 out a 10
Muscletech NaNoVapour = 7 out a 10
Scivation Vasocharge = 6 out a 10
I would like to hear the opinion of some people on this site
Best pre Workout Supplements
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is this another of those you ask for an opinion, we give you, you don;t like and then procede to bag everyone?
at the risk that happenign again i'll give mine:
superpump, no explode, vascocharge whatever you want to call them are all complete and utter rubbish
a "pump" means shit to growing bigger and stronger and if you can't get one, train harder and eat more carbs
at the risk that happenign again i'll give mine:
superpump, no explode, vascocharge whatever you want to call them are all complete and utter rubbish
a "pump" means shit to growing bigger and stronger and if you can't get one, train harder and eat more carbs
There is lots of pre workout sups out there. Like I said they are expensive for what you get out of them. I still like them for the intensity of the workout I get with one. It’s quite awesome worth a try. Sometimes I take caffeine pills before and they have basically the same effect. I am on an ephedrine kick at the moment awesome pills in opinion.
It's good if it's free, but not when it starts costing, and you realise the pump, that delivers no worthwhile end result, long-term is a piss take money waste.
I'm going to give you an honest resposne here, not to preach, but to tell you what I think. You can do what you like with it
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Most of the fancy shmancy things on BB.com and any such sites are absolutely worthless.
Even if some guy with aspirations to be 200lb natural, took some of those, he might get the mass a bit quicker than some other guy, but he'd still keep on paying big $$$$, for the way it made him feel, rather than switch back to just basics.
So by the time he was 65 and looking for the easy retired life, he'd probably have spent potentially $10,000+ more than most, on BB supps in 30-40 years, just hoping he could hang onto a little more of that precious mass, or potentially getting addicted psychologically in some way, to the pump or the energised feelings.
That's all you get when you reach a muscle peak and you're taking fancy supps. Even if thety have helped a little bit towards the growth, you then just pay big bucks for a "feeling", or some sort of hormonal high, and that's all.
However the smarter guy would still be using his Protein powder, possibly a few other basics like Glutamine, and a few other regular supps like Vit C, Chondritin, etc etc, and be better off. So he might possibly have 1 or 2lbs less muscle than the other guy, who paid big bucks for years, but he'd have a lot more $$$$ saved, so he could afford to retire, a little more worry free, and enjoy a few more finer things in life. Assuming both had just been regular work a day guys, not celebrities, or big time execs.
You have to ask yourself one thing. Did guys 30-40 years ago, who could only use poor, or no BB supps of any kind, gain 20-30lbs of mass then have to juice?
The answer is almost certainly 99.999999% likely to be NO, because hard work, a solid, calorie dense diet and patience got them the gains. Enough gains to hit 200lbs+ like you can today, before going to gear, if that's what they wanted.
Which means most of these supplements that have been around in the last 20 years, aren't worth diddly, because they don't allow people to go bigger and better naturally, where previous generations couldn't.
Anything that claims to give you big pumps, special proprietary blends, unique combinations of X,Y and Z, etc etc, are just hyped drains on your money.
Even those drinks that give you simple sugars to workout with, aren't too great for BB, unless you want to take them for endurance running, they're just a fast, probably short-term energy spike, for probably one or two measly extra reps, which for perhaps 4-5 sessions a week might cost you 1/2 a weeks salary every month, for some Sugar and possibly other added stuff.
All I do before a workout, is have a good chug of water, and then again half way through. No Caffeine pills, no Bananas, (though I'm not saying that's bad), no stuff in Lime Green Cans with half a protein strand, Lemon Juice and some Guarana in then, or anything like that, just plain old water, which by the way is from the Gyms taps, which they allow, is free, and also must be potable by law, so basically free from contaminants, viruses etc etc.
I do have a Protein and Carb shake afterwards, but just a basic concentrate, with Maltodextrin. Sometimes a little bit if I'm going home to eat, just to spark the recovery process, other times a more fuller dose.
So that's it basically. Make of all that what you will. I'm not going to lecture about the rights and wrongs, about BB supps, just telling you some unbiased stuff about it.
Take that how you will.
P.S. given the small amount of Salt and Sugar, that is probably in piss every day, I could probably get a "free" Pre-workout energy spike drinking that
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I'm going to give you an honest resposne here, not to preach, but to tell you what I think. You can do what you like with it
.Most of the fancy shmancy things on BB.com and any such sites are absolutely worthless.
Even if some guy with aspirations to be 200lb natural, took some of those, he might get the mass a bit quicker than some other guy, but he'd still keep on paying big $$$$, for the way it made him feel, rather than switch back to just basics.
So by the time he was 65 and looking for the easy retired life, he'd probably have spent potentially $10,000+ more than most, on BB supps in 30-40 years, just hoping he could hang onto a little more of that precious mass, or potentially getting addicted psychologically in some way, to the pump or the energised feelings.
That's all you get when you reach a muscle peak and you're taking fancy supps. Even if thety have helped a little bit towards the growth, you then just pay big bucks for a "feeling", or some sort of hormonal high, and that's all.
However the smarter guy would still be using his Protein powder, possibly a few other basics like Glutamine, and a few other regular supps like Vit C, Chondritin, etc etc, and be better off. So he might possibly have 1 or 2lbs less muscle than the other guy, who paid big bucks for years, but he'd have a lot more $$$$ saved, so he could afford to retire, a little more worry free, and enjoy a few more finer things in life. Assuming both had just been regular work a day guys, not celebrities, or big time execs.
You have to ask yourself one thing. Did guys 30-40 years ago, who could only use poor, or no BB supps of any kind, gain 20-30lbs of mass then have to juice?
The answer is almost certainly 99.999999% likely to be NO, because hard work, a solid, calorie dense diet and patience got them the gains. Enough gains to hit 200lbs+ like you can today, before going to gear, if that's what they wanted.
Which means most of these supplements that have been around in the last 20 years, aren't worth diddly, because they don't allow people to go bigger and better naturally, where previous generations couldn't.
Anything that claims to give you big pumps, special proprietary blends, unique combinations of X,Y and Z, etc etc, are just hyped drains on your money.
Even those drinks that give you simple sugars to workout with, aren't too great for BB, unless you want to take them for endurance running, they're just a fast, probably short-term energy spike, for probably one or two measly extra reps, which for perhaps 4-5 sessions a week might cost you 1/2 a weeks salary every month, for some Sugar and possibly other added stuff.
All I do before a workout, is have a good chug of water, and then again half way through. No Caffeine pills, no Bananas, (though I'm not saying that's bad), no stuff in Lime Green Cans with half a protein strand, Lemon Juice and some Guarana in then, or anything like that, just plain old water, which by the way is from the Gyms taps, which they allow, is free, and also must be potable by law, so basically free from contaminants, viruses etc etc.
I do have a Protein and Carb shake afterwards, but just a basic concentrate, with Maltodextrin. Sometimes a little bit if I'm going home to eat, just to spark the recovery process, other times a more fuller dose.
So that's it basically. Make of all that what you will. I'm not going to lecture about the rights and wrongs, about BB supps, just telling you some unbiased stuff about it.
Take that how you will
.P.S. given the small amount of Salt and Sugar, that is probably in piss every day, I could probably get a "free" Pre-workout energy spike drinking that
.I totally agree with you on allot of your points. but you cant say canine is not beneficial before a workout and ephedrine does not give you an energy boost. they both do. If i can take it and lift harder then its beneficial to me i think. both of those are at a very low cost. 5$ for 50 tabs. taken when energy level is down its enough to last a month or longer. the price of 2 energy drinks or one drink in the bar on Friday night.
I totally agree that there is way to much hype around allot of this stuff and that they are stupid expensive. You don’t get what you pay for that’s for sure its possible to spend over $1000 bucks a month on anabolic. Yet people will still pay for that image.
I know where you are coming from though it all starts with diet that’s the main thing. I know that. Eat right and train hard and you will get the results.
If i can afford to pay for an edge of any sort that’s not a illegal pill or injection in I am willing to give it a try.
I totally agree that there is way to much hype around allot of this stuff and that they are stupid expensive. You don’t get what you pay for that’s for sure its possible to spend over $1000 bucks a month on anabolic. Yet people will still pay for that image.
I know where you are coming from though it all starts with diet that’s the main thing. I know that. Eat right and train hard and you will get the results.
If i can afford to pay for an edge of any sort that’s not a illegal pill or injection in I am willing to give it a try.
I mentioned Caffeine, mainly as lots of energy drinks have it in these days, when ity's not necessary.
You'd probably get a similar effect, off probably a cup of Coffee with about 2tbsps of any Supermarket brand sugar in it. Can't guarantee what it would taste like, but perhaps you could whack some Lemon Juice in it, and see what happens.
Ephedrine put in short, is a synthetic version of Ephedra.
I agree with you, that something like Caffeine Pills are maybe one oif the rare exceptions of cost over impact, but I couldn't see myself ever mellowing to the point of Caffeine supps.
Also a big issue to contend with is the Vasoconstriction of Blood vessels from Caffeine, which however long it lasted, would potentially force the Heart to work harder to pump blood properly, when in a self induced state of Tachycardia from working out.
Last thing someone should potentially do, is over stress the Heart, as it might not cause an issue for someone short-term, but long-term who knows, when aging and maybe one or two other factors combine, to cause a health scenario someone doesn't need.
The energy bosot you refer to, might be the Heart pumping harder, which would, coupled with increased Tidal Volume, (air in and out in one Lung cycle), would create more Oxygen inhalation, keeping cells well oxygenated, at least for an initial part of a workout, depnding on how you train.
Obviously Oxygen usage would also contribute, to things like Lactic Acid build-up in conjunction with Glycogen usage.
Caffeine to understanding certainly doesn't stimulate energy conversion, release, or control energy use, but I could be wrong.
Another issue is the Xanthines converting to Uric Acid, as that stuff can't be broken down, so it needs water to get rid of it, mostly from what the body has in it, so you could contend that Caffeine might contribute to increased dehydration, if more water is then having to be used to flush out the resulting UC content, (after Caffeine conversion), that wouldn't be there otherwise.
Though good hydration, to top-up what's been / being used would help, but for me Caffeine before workouts, and Heart stimulants, whilst I respect your use of them, could never be things I would endorse or do myself.
A possible way to energise for cheap money, would be to buy Maltodextrin in supplemental powdered form. It's from memory about as cheap as decent protein powder. Then you could by a Carb free Protein Powder, and add some Maltodextrin to a Post-wortkout shake to spike Insulin release, and Protein use.
You'd just need to give your Maltodextrin about 10-20 minutes to start breaking down before workouts.
Some on occasion say Maltodextrin might be a little bloaty in action, but I've heard little more than one or two internet based comments, to suggest this is a common place reaction.
As it's derived I think from Potato Starch, it could be such individuals have low levels of Ptyalin enzymes, or other enzymes in Saliva / Amylase needed to breakdown the Maltodextrin adequately.
Thus this could provide you with a pre-workout energy boosting solution, that doesn't involve any potential negative stimulus to the Heart.
You'd probably get a similar effect, off probably a cup of Coffee with about 2tbsps of any Supermarket brand sugar in it. Can't guarantee what it would taste like, but perhaps you could whack some Lemon Juice in it, and see what happens
.Ephedrine put in short, is a synthetic version of Ephedra.
I agree with you, that something like Caffeine Pills are maybe one oif the rare exceptions of cost over impact, but I couldn't see myself ever mellowing to the point of Caffeine supps.
Also a big issue to contend with is the Vasoconstriction of Blood vessels from Caffeine, which however long it lasted, would potentially force the Heart to work harder to pump blood properly, when in a self induced state of Tachycardia from working out.
Last thing someone should potentially do, is over stress the Heart, as it might not cause an issue for someone short-term, but long-term who knows, when aging and maybe one or two other factors combine, to cause a health scenario someone doesn't need.
The energy bosot you refer to, might be the Heart pumping harder, which would, coupled with increased Tidal Volume, (air in and out in one Lung cycle), would create more Oxygen inhalation, keeping cells well oxygenated, at least for an initial part of a workout, depnding on how you train.
Obviously Oxygen usage would also contribute, to things like Lactic Acid build-up in conjunction with Glycogen usage.
Caffeine to understanding certainly doesn't stimulate energy conversion, release, or control energy use, but I could be wrong.
Another issue is the Xanthines converting to Uric Acid, as that stuff can't be broken down, so it needs water to get rid of it, mostly from what the body has in it, so you could contend that Caffeine might contribute to increased dehydration, if more water is then having to be used to flush out the resulting UC content, (after Caffeine conversion), that wouldn't be there otherwise.
Though good hydration, to top-up what's been / being used would help, but for me Caffeine before workouts, and Heart stimulants, whilst I respect your use of them, could never be things I would endorse or do myself.
A possible way to energise for cheap money, would be to buy Maltodextrin in supplemental powdered form. It's from memory about as cheap as decent protein powder. Then you could by a Carb free Protein Powder, and add some Maltodextrin to a Post-wortkout shake to spike Insulin release, and Protein use.
You'd just need to give your Maltodextrin about 10-20 minutes to start breaking down before workouts.
Some on occasion say Maltodextrin might be a little bloaty in action, but I've heard little more than one or two internet based comments, to suggest this is a common place reaction.
As it's derived I think from Potato Starch, it could be such individuals have low levels of Ptyalin enzymes, or other enzymes in Saliva / Amylase needed to breakdown the Maltodextrin adequately.
Thus this could provide you with a pre-workout energy boosting solution, that doesn't involve any potential negative stimulus to the Heart.
BCAA's are a good choice, I'd say take them after a workout, and potentially supplement with Glutamine to boost the effects of them, as Glutamine is a synergistic product in some respects. Those 4 things are often boosted in protein powders, for that reason, as they encourage anabolic actions in people.