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...exercising first thing in the morning is the best routine for fat loss, because you are dipping into your reserves, before you have started eating for the day?
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totally bullshit,

the first thing you must do in the morning is eat (To finish the little catabolism
periods from night) !

Maybe you would cut more fat, but at an unhealthy cost ...

For fat lost :

Carb timing
Diet
Healthy Fats
Weights
Deadlifts
Sprints, HIIT

Last summer on a 2300 calories diet, 2 time 10mins of sprints a week I've switch from ~11% BF to ~7% ... Now I'm breaking 3000 calories and didn't gain an ounce of fat even if I don't do any cardio anymore ...
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Chris, I found this: ...you mean its all crap?


When is the best time of day to do your aerobic exercise? The answer is any time! However, if you want to get the maximum benefits possible from every minute you invest in your workouts, then you should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal - even if you're not a "morning person." Early morning aerobic exercise on an empty stomach has three major advantages over exercising later in the day:

Early in the morning before you eat, your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbohydrate) are low. If you eat dinner at 7 p.m and you eat breakfast at 7 a.m., that's 12 hours without food. During this 12-hour overnight fast, your levels of glycogen slowly decline to provide glucose for various bodily functions that go on even while you sleep. As a result, you wake up in the morning with depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar - the optimum environment for burning fat instead of carbohydrate. How much more fat you'll burn is uncertain, but some studies have suggested that up to 300% more fat is burned when cardio is done in a fasted, glycogen-depleted state.

So how exactly does this work? It's quite simple, really. Carbohydrate (glycogen) is your body's primary and preferred energy source. When your primary fuel source is in short supply, this forces your body to tap into its secondary or reserve energy source; body fat. If you do cardio immediately after eating a meal, you'll still burn fat, but you'll burn less of it because you'll be burning off the carbohydrates you ate first. You always burn a combination of fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but depending on when you exercise, you can burn a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. If doing cardio first thing in the morning is not an option for you, then the second best time to do it would be immediately after weight training. Lifting weights is anaerobic (carbohydrate-burning) by nature, and therefore depletes muscle glycogen. That's why a post lifting cardio session has a similar effect as morning cardio on an empty stomach.
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It's bullshit if you ask me. I tried it once and i almost fainted.

You might be burning more fat at that time, but you are stressing yourself way too much, it is unhealthy. The whole point of exercising aerobically is to make your body burn more the time following your exercise.
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FeeFee wrote:Chris, I found this: ...you mean its all crap?


When is the best time of day to do your aerobic exercise? The answer is any time! However, if you want to get the maximum benefits possible from every minute you invest in your workouts, then you should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal - even if you're not a "morning person." Early morning aerobic exercise on an empty stomach has three major advantages over exercising later in the day:

Early in the morning before you eat, your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbohydrate) are low. If you eat dinner at 7 p.m and you eat breakfast at 7 a.m., that's 12 hours without food. During this 12-hour overnight fast, your levels of glycogen slowly decline to provide glucose for various bodily functions that go on even while you sleep. As a result, you wake up in the morning with depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar - the optimum environment for burning fat instead of carbohydrate. How much more fat you'll burn is uncertain, but some studies have suggested that up to 300% more fat is burned when cardio is done in a fasted, glycogen-depleted state.

So how exactly does this work? It's quite simple, really. Carbohydrate (glycogen) is your body's primary and preferred energy source. When your primary fuel source is in short supply, this forces your body to tap into its secondary or reserve energy source; body fat. If you do cardio immediately after eating a meal, you'll still burn fat, but you'll burn less of it because you'll be burning off the carbohydrates you ate first. You always burn a combination of fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but depending on when you exercise, you can burn a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. If doing cardio first thing in the morning is not an option for you, then the second best time to do it would be immediately after weight training. Lifting weights is anaerobic (carbohydrate-burning) by nature, and therefore depletes muscle glycogen. That's why a post lifting cardio session has a similar effect as morning cardio on an empty stomach.
Surely true, but as I said, it's not healthy to do so ... And you can lose fat at a nice rate without doing so, I was doing cardio between breakfast and second meal ... and only 10 mins !

For glycogen store and fat burning, i don't have knowledge about this, one thing I know in morning you must fill it and after workout too, to keep strength endurance and energy ! (Muscle fullness thick skin for fitness wise) ... But for extreme fat lost, carbs must be maintain very low and you should use healthy fats as your main (almost only) energy source.
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I agree.

Why do something that is known to reduce Blood sugar levels, when they are already low, it makes no sense.

You're better doing it in a fully or partly sated state. I have heard negative things about this before, which are not positive, and as it's not necessary for weight loss why do it?
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So for people who go jogging or walking first thing in the morning, then get back home and have breakfast, this is an unhealthy routine?
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- when you sleep you are actually "fasting" (going without food) sp when you wake up you more yha n likely have emtpy glycogen stores so if you exercise on an empty stomach you only have protein (muscle)or fat to fuel your exercise...now as i'm all about the intensity training on an empty stomach here is not good because the more intense you train, the more of an energy shift you have from using fat (65% intensity and below) to using carbs (85% and above for exclusive varb use) but if carbs (glycogen) aren't present, than the next fuel used for high intensity exercise is protein (muscle) as you need to instant energy and fat takes too long to be broken down for energy...if on the other hand thouigh you're only walking than there probably won;t much of a problem but most people who walk have such little muscle mass i wouldn;t even risk it and still have a preotein and water shake before walking in the morniong with breakfast after it
- you should never go for extreme fat loss anyway
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I would think actually Protein would be second to Fat.

Fat is a secondary energy source. If someone cuts Carbs they can potentially cut Fat with a Protein source present, the body won't use any of the Protein for energy.

The same could then also be said for a no calorie situation. Fat being a secondary energy source, regardless of breakdown time. If the body could translate Fat into an energy source better, it would logically focus there first, as it would try to acquire what it thought was better for it, rather then something like Muscle which it might feel isn't.

Especially as Carbohydrate to Fat conversion is possible, therefore proving some kind of link between Carb and Fat interplay, so if one can become another, feasibly the other could convert too, as the body would see this conversion as more natural than Protein, which converts to neither, unless you eat excess calories, and most of them are Protein.

However running on empty would burn muscle and Fat anyway, which is not the thing to do, but essentially if Fat for energy was easier to initiate, breakdown time would be irrelevant compared to Muscle. The body would find the better quality energy source, and use that first.
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Post by swanso5 »

fat is the "preferred"s econd choice of energy yes but if the inrtensity is high (85% +) than energy is required now and it can't be obtained from fat as it takes too long so it goes to protein (muscle) stores...if your jogging than it doesn't need energy immediatley as it's fuelled by oxygen
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