muscletech.

[zerosktrkd]

whats your opinion on this product?
ive been thinking about getting the creatine its suppossed to help u gain up to 7lbs. in just a week brother takes their protein and has had good results.
ive gained about 10 lbs. in about a month w/ just natural protein sources but im looking for faster gains cause im not really gaining where i want to everything always gets bigger exept arms which is where i want the most gains.

[Boss Man]

Muscletech .

Muscletech have a bad rep for high prices, and insufficient products.

Celltech is one for starters. Celltech Creatine has 10g per scoop.

10g is the most anybody should take, on a maintenance dose with Creatine, but certainly not at once.

Some people will tell you it gives good results, but you have to wonder following a 3 month on 1 off system, how many people using 10g a day for 9 months a year, will be so pro Celltech 10, 15, 20 years later, with screwed up Kidneys.

Most of their products are too pricey, and often mediocre. They may possibly have made one or two good ones recently, but I've never seen anough evidence to warrant any change in thinking.

Muscletech are pish, don't waste your money on their products.

[zerosktrkd]

k. the money isint an issue i just want good resuts. ive met diffrent people with diffrent opinions on it so just wanted to kno what u guys had to say most of the feedback i have recived is negative so i will probably look for something better.

[Boss Man]

k. the money isint an issue i just want good resuts.

Our survey says. Uh Uhhh.

Product efficacy in relation to price is key.

Sometimes a supplement might be 40-50% more costly, than another similar product, but it's only worth it, if the results gained are equivalent to the extra cost.

No one would spend say another $30, or £30, depending on where they lived, on for example a protein powder, if it gave them another 4lb's on their Bench Press, compared to another top brand powder.

Well you hope the majority wouldn't anyway. Though some will so that many others, could learn from the mistakes of the few, though most who try new but poor or too costly products, don't do it to show others it's a bad idea, they do it believing it to be a good move.

Supplementation can be a pricey affair, depending on the amount of products you use, how frequently you use them, and how much you use or how you stack them.

Remember, higher price isn't an indicator of quality.

If you don't care about cost, you would when you spend a lot of money for a poor product.

Thwn you end up in a potential situation, where it might have been better for you physically, to eat the paper money you wasted, instead of using the butthole product you bought with it.

Hopefully you understand point.

[zerosktrkd]

definately, i do understand what you are saying. I wouldent pay extra money for a product when i can get a cheaper one that give me the same or similar results. But i wouldent mind paying an extra $30 for a product that would give me much better results. Im not stupid either otherwise i wouldent have asked, i would have just gone to the store and purchased the most expensive powder i can find.

[zerosktrkd]

what are your views on Pro-Nos

heres a link just in case
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?pr ... age=search

[Boss Man]

Don't worry I wasn't calling you stupid.

A for the product sounds like a load of hype.

Increased NO levels by 950%

9g Sugars, which appears to be Sucralose. To knowledge thats similar to table sugar, so potentially you're getting a mediocre Bloodsugar spike off a poor type of Sugar.

Maltodextrin would have been a better bet, and with perhaps another 5-10g, to boost Bloodsugar response.

"The stunning new technology"

Nicely inserted adjective, just to make it sound even better . If it's that good why call it stunning, when it'll sell itself? Some people would call a woman stunning, or a Car, what's stunning about a plastic Tub a Label, and a load of powder.

"Chest. Arms. Abs. With Pro-NOS, you get it all."

A: You can get those with a good diet / training regime.

B: Most good protein powders will do that, and Carnitine the Amino Acid, has effects on Fat metabolisation anyway, but it would happen all over not just in the "Trunk".

Also it claims the Vat Burn strips Fat, but not other Fat.

So presumably it somehow can spot reduce, and miraculously works the exact opposite to Cortisol, or is it a Cortisol blocker with a clever name?

"MRI has isolated the specific "interval" (length) within the peptide chains that holds all the concentrated power to change your body composition!"

So the whole of science has been blinkered to this, but some company with a few small time Egg Heads, manages to get one over on the biggest brains in the world.

Sounds highly unlikely. Assuming of course someone with a Harvard PHD, or a double first from Cambridge, wouldn't work for a supplement company, when they could do higher paid work, trying to discover groundbreaking Disease cures instead.

I doubt MRI, is employing scientists that clever. Not to say their boffins are thick though.

Just sounds like a rather exaggerated claim.

I'd be sceptical as to why they say, you need to take 2 servings a day, not one. Might be for optimal benefit, but no Protein supplement I've ever seen implies anything, except what 1 scoop will do.

Most supplements of that kind, are never marketed in that way, so unless you need to take 4 sccops a day, to get the alledged 950% NO boost, I don't see any other reason to need 2 scoops twice a day.

1 serving being 2 scoops, but it says 19 servings per tub, doesn't say which size though, so assuming the bigger one, you get $50 worth for 9.5 days. That's financially bad.

You could probably buy some NO2, and some ON Whey or some other popular P P, and save about 20-30% cost, maybe more, for pretty much the same results.

I laughed at the Ingredient Tocopherol. Vitamin E, contains two main things, Tocopherols and Tocotrionols. Both have an Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta version. I don't recall what each does, but they just get called Vitamin E, probably just to not confuse the public at large. So the name Tocopherol on its own, could mean anything, all 4 together, or just one of the 4 . The benefit derived I could tell you.

Plus the 2 daily servings, according to the ingredients, gives you 38% of your daily Salt limit.

Perhaps a bit high I think. Having what in essence is 38% Salt from 2 meals. That means if you eat 6 times a day. You'd need about 15.5% from the remaining 4 meals, to hit your max limit.

Which means you get less room for manouvere regards Salt intake, when 2 meals push it up quite high.

Oh and Dutch Chocolate Royale is a poncy name. Most companies use plain old Chocolate. Though that's a minor beef of mine.

It just sounds like an expensive gimmick, too much hype, a few carefully placed words in the advertising, but ultimately could be a false prophecy.

[zerosktrkd]

yeah alot of it sounded like a load of b.s. to me but its gotten alot of good reviews. Im just gonna stick to a regular protein powder. thanks for your help.

[zerosktrkd]

p.s. ive noticed that u recomend taking glutamine should i just take that instead and stick to regular protein sources(egg whites, chiken...) or would it be best to take the glutamine and pp?

[Boss Man]

Glutamine for definite, protein powder only if you want to, though you should be fine with things like Eggs, Cheese, Chicken, Turkey etc etc.

[zerosktrkd]

yeah i actually bought some pp today, to bad i dident read this before otherwise i would have gotten the glutamine to. it will just have to wait till tomorrow.