Updates?

[swanso5]

p90x is one of the worse things on the market and expect none of that muscle to retained after doing it

you maintain the muscle the way you built it

[Bonnie]

Steroids & hormones aren't supplements though they are drugs, protein powder, creatine, glucosamine etc those are supplements or am I wrong ?

I met a chick who did px90 & took me through a ab workout, personally with all those repetitions, those people got to burn out at some point ? Excessive repetition work was mentioned as not a good thing in school.

[scottgaran]

Hey Bonnie, I agree to some extent. I use creatine, BCAA's and a lot of other things including the HDROL. This is one of those gray areas, as far as I am concerned, but that really doesn't matter. I feel you should not judge people on an ethical/moral level, which it seems you are doing. I don't know if the things I do are "RIGHT." I know they work. As a trainer I would accept if you didn't want to train someone on these supps or drugs. That is your choice, but I do have a problem with you assuming you are "right." That is something people have to decide on an individual basis. All I know is I am 260 lbs and can lift a lot of weight, which makes me happy. Is that better than being 160 lbs, I don't know, it simply is!

[Bonnie]

I never said I was right. I asked merely for curiosity sake why someone would subject their body to the use of drugs to build muscle.Steroids are NOT a grey area, they are drugs.I am an ex drug user of many kinds of drugs.So to me it doesn't make sense to mix drugs with health, but your right its only opinion & well maybe also the opinion of many honest competitors who get placed incorrectly due to a drug user, taking their rightful place.

[swanso5]

what did they say about it Les?

[Bonnie]

This will be final comment on trainers taking steroids, its exactly the opposite of what we should be teaching clients.I'm shocked & horrified, then again you are old school, hopefully that is the reason.I would hate to think that persons are at risk from trainers such as yourself who are graduating nowadays.

[scottgaran]

Yes, opinions are like.... well, lets just say we agree to disagree!

[Bonnie]

The last part is NOT an opinion, its a FACT.Unless your personal training books or university promoted trainers using drugs as a way to build muscles which I'm SURE they did NOT.Your an embarrassment to the profession.

[Bonnie]

Its not a personal attack, its a professional fact.If there is a book or course that teaches certified personal trainers to condone or promote the use of steroids, feel free to pass it along to me.As a person, it wouldn't much matter to me if steroids were used, that would be a personal choice.Anyway I've piece.

[scottgaran]

I am going to add one more piece before I shut up. HDROL is not an illegal drug, it is sold as a supplement. I have read differing things on it, so I am not so sure it may be made illegal in the future. But at this time it is NOT illegal. Neither is the creatine BCAA's and other things I use.
Scott

[Boss Man]

Personally I think Steroid use is a personal choice. No I don't think anybody is taught to espouse the use to clients. Training programmes should not promote Steroid / prohormone use and I'm pretty certain they never have done. I mean who would want to openly promote Steroid / Prohormone use on a training course anyway? That would strongly suggest they would be a user, endangering their freedom. Plus you'd be having certified courses teaching use of illegal substances, in other words promoting illegality, which probably would not even be permitted, except in the context of eduation about steroid effects, which is fair enough, but it would probably be illegal to give education about dosing or teaching use as something to encourage to trainers clients.

Steroids are illegal, Prohormones are not, but often get reclassified.

I used to be dead agaisnt Steroid use, but now I don't care. I just don't like pro bodybuilders using excessive amounts, because I think it's got to be damaging, no matter how much Silymarin, (Milk Thistle), they take.

Personally if 15 people on Steroids compete, should you give the audience their money back and brand all 15 as cheats?

If someone competes drug free against 14 other guys, it's their right, but also their look out and associations like the NANBF, (North American Natural Bodybuilding Federation), exist now anyway.

only other beef is when guys like Pudzianowski get disqualified from Worlds Strongest Man, then let back in next year. Possibly needing to qualify, but then being permitted to compete again in as little as 3-6 months after the DQ.

beef with that being, if you have a drug testing procedure, you should follow it through with either a 2 year, 5 year, or lifetime ban, otherwise don't test, as his reinstatement the following year, made a mockery of drug testing procedures.