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A bit confuse now!

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Got to the GP yesterday, his comment was oh you look a bit rounder then this summer so i told him yes i know i gain weight... but i am working on it! I told him that i find a site (this site) and talk to people who help me.. i told him that i need to eat 1 800 cal daily and more if i exercice... he goes nope that way too much you should eat only 1 500 for you and aim for 1200 if you want to loose weight and then he said... DONT DO ANY WEIGHLIFTING because you will look bulki and that muscle are heavier then fat so you won't see any difference.. he told me to do cardio ....

I told this to daughter who is in her second your study in health and Kinesiology and she told me no way.. you absolutely need to do weight liftin and because at your age you loose muscle and osteo...is more to happen if you don't condition your muscle and bone.. she told me not to listen doctor that he is a general doctor not a fitness and physical education background...

SO WHAT DO I DO... I JUST ABOUT GAVING UP ALL OF THIS I AM SICK AND TIRED... I NOT SURE WHAT TO DO I EAT SOMETIME BETWEEN 1200 - 1500 OR I EAT 1800 + I AM GETTING FRUSTRATED!!! :? :roll:

Can someone comment on this please before i loose mind!!

Thank so much!!! :D
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Tell the Doctor to get bent.

Telling you to not lift weights and eat 1,200 calories a day is fairly crap.

Females need around 1,800 a day, for sedentary people. More for exercise. Around 200-300 more as a reasonable minimum and depending on intensity you might need more still. If you were marathon training I'd suggest about 800-1,000 a day more than the sedentary average.

A doctor saying weightlifting makes you look bulky is crap. Yes if the female eats 4,000+ calories a day, lifts heavy and does Steroids, tehy may appear nulky but most "naturals" don't look bulky and when have you sen female middle distance runners and swimmers look bulky and if an female olympic swimmer didn't lift and looked like Hilton, they'd probably take 2-3 times longer, just to complete a length.

An extra lb of muscle burns around 45-50 additional calories. If you eat 1,200 calories a day you could increase the risk of mild deficiencies and inadequate intake of things like Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin K2, Vitamin D, phosphorus etc etc and increase Osteopenia, (thinning bones), risk, maybe even Osteoperosis risk and then potentially increase fracture risk if you did weightlifting too.

Though I should stress the weightlifting comment was in relation to low calories not adequate. Keep the lifting in there :).

The 1,200 calories a day could also cause a "starvation mode", where the body clings onto Fat and if you lose muscle from inadequate intake of Protein and one or two other things, you could reduce metabolism, making fat gain a potential possibility instead.

Oh and consider getting another Doctor. Any Doctor telling a female to eat 2/3 of RDA calories and not lift weights, should potentially be struck off.

RDA's for things, are after all intake limits considered acceptable, not generous.
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Boss Man wrote:Tell the Doctor to get bent. Telling you to not lift weights and eat 1,200 calories a day is fairly crap.
Totally! There seem to be two types of doctors: those who update their knowledge between their graduation from medical school and their retirement, and those who don't. Your doctor is old fashioned and does not have up-to-date information on this issue. If you wanted to lose weight in 1959, that would be the advice a doctor would give you! There's no one on this site who is getting results by eating 1200 calories a day and not doing strength exercises.
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Boss Man wrote:Tell the Doctor to get bent.

Telling you to not lift weights and eat 1,200 calories a day is fairly crap.

Females need around 1,800 a day, for sedentary people. More for exercise. Around 200-300 more as a reasonable minimum and depending on intensity you might need more still. If you were marathon training I'd suggest about 800-1,000 a day more than the sedentary average.

A doctor saying weightlifting makes you look bulky is crap. Yes if the female eats 4,000+ calories a day, lifts heavy and does Steroids, tehy may appear nulky but most "naturals" don't look bulky and when have you sen female middle distance runners and swimmers look bulky and if an female olympic swimmer didn't lift and looked like Hilton, they'd probably take 2-3 times longer, just to complete a length.

An extra lb of muscle burns around 45-50 additional calories. If you eat 1,200 calories a day you could increase the risk of mild deficiencies and inadequate intake of things like Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin K2, Vitamin D, phosphorus etc etc and increase Osteopenia, (thinning bones), risk, maybe even Osteoperosis risk and then potentially increase fracture risk if you did weightlifting too.

Though I should stress the weightlifting comment was in relation to low calories not adequate. Keep the lifting in there :).

The 1,200 calories a day could also cause a "starvation mode", where the body clings onto Fat and if you lose muscle from inadequate intake of Protein and one or two other things, you could reduce metabolism, making fat gain a potential possibility instead.

Oh and consider getting another Doctor. Any Doctor telling a female to eat 2/3 of RDA calories and not lift weights, should potentially be struck off.

RDA's for things, are after all intake limits considered acceptable, not generous.
Ok then i will start to eat the 1800 cal daily and when i do biking this spring which is about 1:30 min (16.4k) one way i need to bike fast when i go there but coming back is slower a bit i will start to increase cal to an extra 200-300!!!! BOSSMAN, ARE YOU SURE THIS WILL HELP MAKING ME LOSE WEIGH? Its just that i am sick and tired of been like this... last summer trying to fit in small dress size dress.... no way..nope did not were those for 5 years not....grrrrrrr!

I was actually very surprise that learning here that muscle burn fat and more you have more it help you ... that doctor would tell me not to do it and also tell me that i will look bulky and that i will be heavier on the scale... who care if i am heavier on the scale at least its not fat i go around heart and lung and bellty its muscle and clothing would be looser...!!!! I don't know when i left that office the other i felt that i wanted to gave up all of this its too much info every where and you not sure what to follow...its very confusing! :roll:
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Athene wrote:
Boss Man wrote:Tell the Doctor to get bent. Telling you to not lift weights and eat 1,200 calories a day is fairly crap.
Totally! There seem to be two types of doctors: those who update their knowledge between their graduation from medical school and their retirement, and those who don't. Your doctor is old fashioned and does not have up-to-date information on this issue. If you wanted to lose weight in 1959, that would be the advice a doctor would give you! There's no one on this site who is getting results by eating 1200 calories a day and not doing strength exercises.
Hi Athene! Hum well i guess i will do what i told BossMan! Yea you right i guess he does not follow more in the medical stuff... even daughter who is 25 and who is in those course told me not to do it... she keep telling me to do streinght training and weight lifsting .. she is always at the gym her but she also tell me that i don't do enough but she has just her to take care of and work, i got to work, take care of 18 years old son... and bf... so i have a lots here... and also i am not 25 anymore i am 42 and i can feel it... BUT i imagine that by loosing weight i will feel more energyse and better which will help!!!

I can't wait for the summer, not sure where you at in Manitoba but in Wpg we have had a very humid winter and i hate it remind me of the winter in Quebec... its -11 and your freeze your butt off...lol
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I know i need to take time for myself but it seem that i really don't have time for everything...here is schedual for most day...
I got up at 5:30 make lunch for me and bf, then get ready (getting dress for work) do a bit of cleaning, the leave for work at about 6:45 i start at 8:00 i walk like 20 min at coffee am, then lunch for about 45 min to 60 depending how cold it is out, and at coffee pm too for 20 min. Leave work at 4:00 get home about 5:00 or 5:30, change relax for 15 min then start supper because the 18 or the dad is hungry, clean at the same time, then do dishes and get ready to bed about 10:00 or 10:30 so i get at least 7 hours of sleep! Before i use to sleep just like 5 hours and i was so tired all the time so i told self that i need to get to sleep earlyer...

Do you really think that i will lose weight eating 1800 daily who about if i can't exercice all the time? :shock:
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Frenchmaid1969 wrote:I can't wait for the summer, not sure where you at in Manitoba but in Wpg we have had a very humid winter and i hate it remind me of the winter in Quebec... its -11 and your freeze your butt off...lol
I live in Winnipeg too! It has been more humid this year, hasn't it? Though I have to say I still find it extremely dry, and compared to places on the coast it really is. Bring out the moisturizer and the lip balm : )
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amatlack wrote:First of all, try making the lunches ahead of time at night so you free up your morning. Or use dinner leftovers as lunch. Or make them pack their own lunches, they're big boys. Also, why do you need to clean every day? Can you set aside a couple of hours to do it all on the weekend? Then you can exercise before work.

Your kid is 18...old enough to feed himself. Boyfriend should also be capable. So at the very least, one or two nights a week, one of them can cook for you! They can do the dishes. If they're not willing, you might want to re-evaluate your situation...it might mean they like to take advantage of you.

Sometimes hubby and I do our own meals separately because we eat different things (he has the metabolism of a 15-year-old boy, the lucky bastard).

There are lots of things you can do during the day. If you can get away for 60 minutes during lunch, hit the gym! Or change into some workout gear and go running, or do some bodyweight exercises somewhere. I sometimes go to the gym during lunch...no problem.
yes you right i guess they can do their own lunch! I really cant go to the gym during lunch the closed gym is downtown and its pretty hard to find parking there also i have no member ship and i don't think i can run either with that stupid plantar faciiatis i got but i sometime go up and down the stair and go for walks but i know that walking is not very cardio unless your run a bit and then walk off and on!

How many calories you eat a day 1800 too?
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Athene wrote:
Frenchmaid1969 wrote:I can't wait for the summer, not sure where you at in Manitoba but in Wpg we have had a very humid winter and i hate it remind me of the winter in Quebec... its -11 and your freeze your butt off...lol
I live in Winnipeg too! It has been more humid this year, hasn't it? Though I have to say I still find it extremely dry, and compared to places on the coast it really is. Bring out the moisturizer and the lip balm : )
Yes i still dry but more humid then last year! I got a lots of problem with allergies and always in the winter some eczema just on the top of hands... grrr...and its goes away in the summer... so i really miss the summer but not looking forward to this summer i think we will have a good flood...

Athene, do you eat over 1800 cal too? if you do you exercice a lots do, do you????
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Frenchmaid1969 wrote:Athene, do you eat over 1800 cal too? if you do you exercice a lots do, do you????
I'm not counting calories right now so I'm not really sure, but thinking about it I would say no. I probably eat more like 1300-1500 calories per day right now. I'm more like amatlack, I think, we don't need as many calories or we maintain/gain weight. I probably eat 1800-2000 when I'm training very hard. It really depends on your body and how you feel though, you will probably have to experiment and see what works. I would recommend you try to eat every 3 hours, but make sure you are hungry around the 2.5 - 3 hour mark. The question then becomes, how much do you eat to be hungry every 3 hours? Only you can say! Start with something small and see how long it takes for you to get hungry.

I just checked your logged meals to get some food ideas, so here is a meal plan for one day this week that I propose:

Breakfast - 2 eggs, 1 piece of toast.
Snack - 1/2 bagel with peanut butter or jam
Lunch - 1 baked potato with 1/2 cup cottage cheese (really good together, especially if you like sweet potatoes, and easy to bring to work)
Snack - 1 Activa yogurt cup, 10 almonds
Dinner - Smart Ones Santa Fe Style Rice and Beans Package, 2 cups steamed vegetables (I didn't see any vegetables, so you should try to add them :wink: )

Just looking at that menu, I would say it's 1200-1400 calories, maximum, which is actually what your doctor recommended, isn't it? And I thought he was crazy? lol Oh well. If those are the foods you like, try eating them three hours apart that way, and tell me how it goes. I'm new to this too, trying to balance everything is difficult at times, but we can do it! Everyone here is a huge help.
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I've been having 1600 to 1900 a day this past week ( average is 1800), I haven't really exercised this past week either though and weight is relatively the same as last week. I've been fluctatuating between 3 pounds the entire month of December and I'm on the low end of the 3 pounds today when i weight myself. It is confusing I know! The only way for you to know how much you need is to keep a daily tracking of how many calories your eating and see what your weight is after 1 or 2 weeks! I would recommend the higher the better in the beginning though. that way you can cut the calories if you want.

I also take a med that may cause me metabloism to be lower.
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That meal plan appears to have a lot of starch & dairy, neither of which lead to weight loss.
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I'm no expert on weight loss. I certainly have not studied much about it like some of you. and I know Bonnie, you have had great success with your diet! But i respectfully disagree that you can't lose weight with starch and dairy. I know because i have lost weight eating both starch and dairy.

I'm understand that eating a combination of protein, carbs and fat is a great way to go for losing weight and will help your body product less insulin and that really may be more healthy as well. But i think for weight loss in general it really comes down to exercise and watching your calorie intake. Why would something like the twinkie diet work for somebody if that were not the case? I'm not saying that is a healthy diet, just stating that for arguments sake.

Just own opinion on the matter, to help make Frenchie and myself as well even more confused! :wink:
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Its about quality of caloric intake.Less quality MAY end in weight loss, not necessarily FAT loss though.
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I see your point Bonnie, especially with the Twinkie Diet, but it still is quite confusing to me for sure.
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