"eating fat will not make you fat"

[meaok77]

I'm not really sure where to post this, and this seemed like the best place to do so.

I was watching a new documentary series, "What's Eating You" on E! about people with different types of eating disorders, and this one girl thought she was fat at 85 pounds. She started to go to therapy to help her disorder etc. and in one scene the therapist brought over a 6 inch sandwich with cheese, which the girl did not want to eat (but she ate it regardless). She told the therapist that eating the cheese made her feel like she was eating fat (or something to that extent) to which the therapist replied, "eating fat will not make you fat". She made the girl repeat it.

I understand that she was probably saying that to the girl to calm her nerves and get her to eat the sandwhich with cheese, but that moment gave me a "WFT" reaction. Maybe I was tired at the time, but can someone explain to me how she could say that eating fat will not make you fat? I know that there are good fats and bad fats, but that just seemed such a broad statement to make. And it was probably said as a technique to get the girl to just eat, so it got me thinking...if the situation was reversed, that the girl couldn't STOP eating and was gaining a lot of weight, would the therapist told her the opposite? That "eating fat will make you fat"? Is it a type of reverse phsycology?

Just wondering what you think of it. Because I must be misinformed...if eating fat doesn't make you fat, then why do nutritionist and doctors always say stay away from fast food? Isn't fast food greasy and fatty? And if it doesn't make you fat, why did that "supersize me" guy gain the weight he did by just eating McDonalds.

Am I looking into this too much? lol

I've been thinking about it all day long. It'd be great if someone saw the show and knows what I'm talking about...maybe I missed something because of the noisy baby I had on lap.

[happyhappy]

I didn't watch the program but I think i am correct in the understanding that Saturated fat can only be burned for energy or stored as fat, But essential fats are used for the brain, skin etc etc I think only the leftover so to speak are used for fuel or stored.

All sugar and carbohydrates and fat are turned by the body into glucose and protein also (not so easily) and any excess is turned into fat, but the main reason for weight gain is refined carbs and sugar and of course lack of exercise .... I think the person was trying to get rid of some of the girls hang-ups with certain foods but getting her to eat a huge sandwich I personally don't think is the right way, eating disorders are deep routed.

[meaok77]

Thanks for the link amatlack. I have it bookmarked under favorites. I'm going to read it when baby takes her nap.

Yeah this girl would eat mostly oatmeal, and it was only about 2 spoonfulls at a time, or veggies but she would only eat 2 or 3 pieces then say she was done. She was a professional dancer and her boss told her to start gaining weight or she was fired, and she would dance for about 4 hours on top of working out.
The sandwich looked like a 6 inch subway sub. When the therapist came in she said "I got ..... that's what you said you wanted right?", but I totally understand what you're saying! I'm surprised she would try to get her to eat a sandwich, that to us, isn't that big, but must have seemed like it was huge to this girl on what seemed like her first time eating more.

Thankfully this girl got it. They did an exercise where the girl drew on a large piece of paper an outline of how she, and how she thinks others, see her. She drew a fairly large outline. Then the therapist had her lay on the outline and she outlined her actual body shape. The girl was shocked at the difference. At the end of the show they said she had gained 6 pounds since she started going to therapy.

I'm not sure if she kept her professional dancing job. They didn't say if the boss allowed her to stay or not, but they said she took a job as a dance teacher, but she lost her job. So I guess the boss let her go.

[Boss Man]

Her boss is a total asswipe then, if the reason her putting a few lbs on was the reason why it cost her her job. Why the heck should she remain below 90lbs in weight for someone like that? At the end of the day, he'll potentially not get as many health issues in 40-50 years as she would, being underweight like that.

I bet he wasn't by standards, a stick thin 120lbs.

I like how protographers and people like that, think it's okay to make their people look like string, because hey it's not their health or lifespan it's potentially screwing.

Good fat helps to lower Cholesterol, improve memory, Brain function, improve smooth muscle contraction, clotting functions, etc etc and is much less likely to contribute to things like Arterial Plaque and Atheromas.

It also helps to remove bad fat to some extent.

They are also called Essential Fatty acids, because you need them. However Omega 9, things like Nervonic Acid, Erucic Acid, Oleic Acid etc are made by the body, so although sometimes found in nature, they are not essential.

Also things like Lauric Acid, Capric and Capryllic Acid in Coconut Oil, (Medium Chain Triglycerides), convert to energy in the Liver, so they're alright too, even though they are saturates of sorts.

Lauric Acid is also found in Butter and possibly other dairy sources.

The worst things are Hydrogenates, as they are fully laden with Hydrogen, whereas Saturates are partially hydrogenated, but also Trans Fats as they are artificial.

Other Saturates include things like Myristic Acid and Palmitic Oil in Palm Oil and Behenic Acid derived from Behenic Oil in Ben Nuts, that come from the Horseradish Tree found in Africa and Asia.

[meaok77]

No, I saw the episode again today. I must have missed this part.

She had her 1st job (the professional dancing gig). She was on stage dancing and an irrate audience member complained to management about how she looked ("there shouldn't be a girl on stage who has anorexia" or something to that extent). At the point that this happened, the girl hadn't made any progress to gain weight and was still starving herself. So they made the decision to let her go.

She then continued on with her therapy, got the new job (dance teacher) and then lost that job. It then stated that she gained 6 pounds since the filming of the show.

[Boss Man]

Then I retract the insinuations I made. Though they where not direct attacks on any quoted individual, but ones made on an "if x happened", approach .

[meaok77]

I understand.

I just wasn't 100% sure what had happened with her boss (due to an overly fussy baby on lap), and I got to rewatch it while baby was asleep.

[hippocampus208]

I'm not really sure where to post this, and this seemed like the best place to do so.

I was watching a new documentary series, "What's Eating You" on E! about people with different types of eating disorders, and this one girl thought she was fat at 85 pounds. She started to go to therapy to help her disorder etc. and in one scene the therapist brought over a 6 inch sandwich with cheese, which the girl did not want to eat (but she ate it regardless). She told the therapist that eating the cheese made her feel like she was eating fat (or something to that extent) to which the therapist replied, "eating fat will not make you fat". She made the girl repeat it.

I understand that she was probably saying that to the girl to calm her nerves and get her to eat the sandwhich with cheese, but that moment gave me a "WFT" reaction. Maybe I was tired at the time, but can someone explain to me how she could say that eating fat will not make you fat? I know that there are good fats and bad fats, but that just seemed such a broad statement to make. And it was probably said as a technique to get the girl to just eat, so it got me thinking...if the situation was reversed, that the girl couldn't STOP eating and was gaining a lot of weight, would the therapist told her the opposite? That "eating fat will make you fat"? Is it a type of reverse phsycology?

Just wondering what you think of it. Because I must be misinformed...if eating fat doesn't make you fat, then why do nutritionist and doctors always say stay away from fast food? Isn't fast food greasy and fatty? And if it doesn't make you fat, why did that "supersize me" guy gain the weight he did by just eating McDonalds.

Am I looking into this too much? lol

I've been thinking about it all day long. It'd be great if someone saw the show and knows what I'm talking about...maybe I missed something because of the noisy baby I had on lap.

I think that you've been assumed fastfood with fat, right? they are not the same, dear

[Boss Man]

With respect, that looks like a patronising comment.

Plus I'd be interested to know why your computer details are registering a Vietnamese Internet provider.

Not being rude or anything, just asking politely .

[PandorasVise]

actually fat doesn't make you fat, in itself. The body requires insulin in order to store excess calories into fat, which is why old school Atkins people lost tons of weight eating tons of bacon. You can only make insulin with the presence of carbs, no carbs no insulin. You will actually urinate out the excess fat and protien that the body doesn't imeadtly use. Very bad for the body for any length of time.

As for this poor girl. She counted fat grams instead of calories. The only fat she would have in her body came from the 1/2 cup of oatmeal that she would sometimes eat. Our bodies need fat to funtion. She was also obcessed. If a fat woman started to exhibit the same behavior, I wouldn't give her chesse, but I would teach her the difference in fats. This particular girls has major issues with food and if she didn't gain weight, some vital organs are going to shut down.

[Boss Man]

Fat does come out in faecal matter 'tis true.

A Danish survey a few years ago, assessed high Calcium diets. Stool collections for a week with low calcium, then next week with high Calcium and it concluded more Calcium helps excrete more Fat.

However too much Calcium can lead to things like Calcification and Osteperosis, so it's not advisable to start eating 2,000 mg a day, when you only need 1,000-1,200 mg's a day as per the RDA.

Proteins however can contribute to Gout and the Nitrogen can turn into Uric Acid and also it contributes to Kidney Stones too, so too much is not good anyway, regardless of how much would be excreted.

[PandorasVise]

You will actually urinate out the excess fat and protien that the body doesn't imeadtly use.

Fat actually comes out in the feces. If you have excess, you will typically have a rancid stool that floats. Gross. But I get your meaning, Patty (: excellent point.

I knew the fecal thing. I saw that danish study too on The Truth About Food. (i forgot about that) I thought, I can definatly be wrong, that some comes from urination, like when atkins talks of ketosis and that rank smell that oozes from die hard no carb people. I thought that was excess fat and protien too.

[PandorasVise]

No, that's a loss of ketones, which are water soluble. Anything fat soluble comes out the other end.

Thanks LP learn something new everyday!

[Boss Man]

like when atkins talks of ketosis and that rank smell that oozes from die hard no carb people.

As opposed to the smell from old people caused by Ozena, which results in rotting nasal flesh, hence the smell.

No Carbs is DEFINITELY not an advisable dietary choice .

[meaok77]

Wow, I've learned so much from the users on this site. You guys are awesome, and so full of information!