training to failure- good idea?

[DevilWrath]

simple question... does training to failure a good idea? if i want results such as fat loss, muscle and strength gains.

[swanso5]

short answer no

you can't get results in all 3 at once - absolutely impossible

choose 1

[DevilWrath]

thank you again

[DevilWrath]

thanks (:

[Kevsworld]

I agree with the others--training to failure isn't advisable. I stopped doing it years ago.

Kevin
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[lens_d]

I agree as well. I never train till failure anymore. I also don’t have a spotter anymore to help me out. Makes the choice a lot easier. When gym partner comes back in a couple weeks I may get pushed that hard!

Can anyone explain why not train till failure?


Perhaps the 3X a week full body workouts everyone prescribes here may not be the best. personally I hate the full body workout i like to lift not run. Lifting only 3 times a week to me sounds lame. To each his own it’s better to do anything than nothing.

[swanso5]

training to failure kills your nervous sytem and it;s your nervous system that makes eveything go...powerlifters never train to failure and look at some of the stuff they throw around 4 - 6 times a week...same with olypmic wt lifters...it's all about managing fatigue, not inducing it

3/week isn't for anybody, i don't do it but unless you've done that previously then a 4 day split won't really work and then you end up doing leg ext, leg curls, crunches and concentration curls to fill in the time...i see it all the time

for beginners though there should be no other way...how can you go from not training to training 4 days a week...you don;t go from the couch to a marathon straight away...fat loss wise they work best too i think

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[DevilWrath]

but for pull ups and chin ups i can do failure right?

[swanso5]

lasrt set maybe but if you go to failure on the first set then how will gewt you the same amount for the successive sets?

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[Packard]

I've trained to failure when I got on the "huge arms" kick. I did curls and triceps extensions to failure once a week. The other workouts and other exercises were not done to failure.

For strength training (like heavy benches) it is contra-indicated. It sets your mind to fail. It is acceptable to fail. Failing is part of the workout norm. This is a very bad mind-set and should be avoided (along with spotters who assist on the last rep).

You should go all out and learn to do these maximum lifts without the mindset of failure or of someone assisting you.

(On the other hand arms did get huge. To the point that I could not button the top button on dress shirts because I could not bend arms enough because of the over-sized biceps. This was probably biceps-extremus--an affliction I out grew).

[lens_d]

from the sounds of things maybe I push myself to hard. I find it hard to belive though.