Thanks once again
Fat Around Button Area?
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cassiegose
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I think I would start at 2000 and see what happens. I wouldn't drasically increase calories as that could make you gain weight kind of fast. I would shoot for around 2000 (its ok if you go a little over) and try that for a while and see what kind of results you get. Every body is different and sometimes it takes some experimenting to figure out what is going to work best for your body. Keep in mind though that if you're eating 2000 calories in the form of fried foods and junk food you're going to gain weight differently then if you ate 2000 calories in the form of fruits, veggie, lean protein, and complex carbs. For the 6 pack... Keep in mind that it is going to take TIME to get a 6 pack. Often you have to go on a "bulking diet" to gain muscle (and you'd probably gain some fat too) then go on a "cutting diet" to strip away the fat and uncover those abs.... that gets pretty technical though and i kind of feel like we need to take baby steps. So experiment with 2000 calories a day, heavy weights, decreased cardio... and see what happens.
Ok thanks for the tips Cassie, as for the 6 pack, stomach feels kind of hard underneath already, and you can see it very faintly, would i be able to achieve a 6 pack by sticking to, 1-2 cardio sessions a week, 3-4 weight training sessions. If so, do you have a rough idea at all at how long it would possibly take. arms a little bigger now, it's been a month but there only a little bigger than before, still better than no progress!cassiegose wrote:I think I would start at 2000 and see what happens. I wouldn't drasically increase calories as that could make you gain weight kind of fast. I would shoot for around 2000 (its ok if you go a little over) and try that for a while and see what kind of results you get. Every body is different and sometimes it takes some experimenting to figure out what is going to work best for your body. Keep in mind though that if you're eating 2000 calories in the form of fried foods and junk food you're going to gain weight differently then if you ate 2000 calories in the form of fruits, veggie, lean protein, and complex carbs. For the 6 pack... Keep in mind that it is going to take TIME to get a 6 pack. Often you have to go on a "bulking diet" to gain muscle (and you'd probably gain some fat too) then go on a "cutting diet" to strip away the fat and uncover those abs.... that gets pretty technical though and i kind of feel like we need to take baby steps. So experiment with 2000 calories a day, heavy weights, decreased cardio... and see what happens.
Also what about pecs, as im really not confident with chest area.
So Boss, u belive it's best if i continue to do 3 days cardio 3 days weight training?
I just don't want to end up getting to a point where im really boney, it wouldn't suit me at all.
Something im curious about, if i continued to lose weight, or so, would i lose hair? Would it start to fall out? It's just you see alot of bodybuilders that are bald, just thought id ask?
I just don't want to end up getting to a point where im really boney, it wouldn't suit me at all.
Something im curious about, if i continued to lose weight, or so, would i lose hair? Would it start to fall out? It's just you see alot of bodybuilders that are bald, just thought id ask?
I'm talking about sticking to the stuff, that's been discussed between you and Cassie. When I say stick to the system, that's all I mean.
As for Bald bodybuilders, baldness can happen aged 20 on onwards. It can also result from DHT, (Di-hydro Tesosterone production), a by product of excess Test production, so it could happen to you at any time.
A lot of bodybuilders can get bald anyway, by taking Steroids. So if it happens to you, it happens.
Yes it might be a bummer to start with, but that's life. Keep concentrating on what you're doing, and what has been discussed between you and Cassie.
Questioning stuff is fine, but don't get too over indulgent with questions.
You've had a lot of info, and you jsut need ot read back over some of this, kepe implementing what you've bene told, and you'll be fine.
So just keep sticking to things already discussed, and keep your head down, and keep pushing on, that's the best thing.
Cassie has done right now, as much as I think needs to be done for you. I know Cassie will appreciate what I'm saying, and I'm not trying to speak on Cassie's behalf, nor is this is about ditching you Martin, it's about you believing in yourself enough to keep doing this, and making it happen.
You CAN do this, an we can continue to help you, but don't be afraid of what you're doing, just let it happen over time, and if you do what's be discussed, you should be fine.
I know you'll understand what I'm saying
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As for Bald bodybuilders, baldness can happen aged 20 on onwards. It can also result from DHT, (Di-hydro Tesosterone production), a by product of excess Test production, so it could happen to you at any time.
A lot of bodybuilders can get bald anyway, by taking Steroids. So if it happens to you, it happens.
Yes it might be a bummer to start with, but that's life. Keep concentrating on what you're doing, and what has been discussed between you and Cassie.
Questioning stuff is fine, but don't get too over indulgent with questions.
You've had a lot of info, and you jsut need ot read back over some of this, kepe implementing what you've bene told, and you'll be fine.
So just keep sticking to things already discussed, and keep your head down, and keep pushing on, that's the best thing.
Cassie has done right now, as much as I think needs to be done for you. I know Cassie will appreciate what I'm saying, and I'm not trying to speak on Cassie's behalf, nor is this is about ditching you Martin, it's about you believing in yourself enough to keep doing this, and making it happen.
You CAN do this, an we can continue to help you, but don't be afraid of what you're doing, just let it happen over time, and if you do what's be discussed, you should be fine.
I know you'll understand what I'm saying
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Martin,
I wouldn't do a ton of cardio right now as you want to put on muscle. Doing a great deal of cardio would (in opinion) be counterproductive at this point. As suggested, I feel that 4 days of weights and 2 days of cardio would be best for you. Maybe try that for a month or so and see what you think.
As I already said, PUSHUPS WORK PECS. Do a variety of pushups and your chest should come along. Remember though, don't just focus on any one bodypart as you'll end up unbalanced. For your weight workouts you need to focus on legs, chest, back, and arms. Many guys don't bother working the legs and only work the upper body then end up looking totally ridiculous.
I wouldn't do a ton of cardio right now as you want to put on muscle. Doing a great deal of cardio would (in opinion) be counterproductive at this point. As suggested, I feel that 4 days of weights and 2 days of cardio would be best for you. Maybe try that for a month or so and see what you think.
As I already said, PUSHUPS WORK PECS. Do a variety of pushups and your chest should come along. Remember though, don't just focus on any one bodypart as you'll end up unbalanced. For your weight workouts you need to focus on legs, chest, back, and arms. Many guys don't bother working the legs and only work the upper body then end up looking totally ridiculous.
Day 36
Breakfast - half a cup of oats, 2 cups of milk, (some protein there) and half a scoop of protein powder, thankfully didn't taste it too much to notice otherwise may of tasted odd.
Push ups, should i just do as many as i can, 4 times a day?
Lunch - 3 biggish sized eggs, 83 calories each. 2 slices of toast with peanut butter.
Will do weight training soonish.
I think a few friends want to go to harvester for a meal later, it's like pub food, but it is nice. However, i'm not sure if i should go, ive probably eaten around 1000 calories today. And don't want to over do it.
On the weight training days, if i don't get much excercise, should i go on the stationary bike for 30mins, even if its a slow pace?
Went out into town for the day with friends, didn't have something to eat for a while, bought a bottle of diet coke.
Got home, had dinner (half of a homemade pizza) sweetcorn, and a jacket potato.
Had protein shake during weight lifting.
And here i am now typing with aching arms
Breakfast - half a cup of oats, 2 cups of milk, (some protein there) and half a scoop of protein powder, thankfully didn't taste it too much to notice otherwise may of tasted odd.
Push ups, should i just do as many as i can, 4 times a day?
Lunch - 3 biggish sized eggs, 83 calories each. 2 slices of toast with peanut butter.
Will do weight training soonish.
I think a few friends want to go to harvester for a meal later, it's like pub food, but it is nice. However, i'm not sure if i should go, ive probably eaten around 1000 calories today. And don't want to over do it.
On the weight training days, if i don't get much excercise, should i go on the stationary bike for 30mins, even if its a slow pace?
Went out into town for the day with friends, didn't have something to eat for a while, bought a bottle of diet coke.
Got home, had dinner (half of a homemade pizza) sweetcorn, and a jacket potato.
Had protein shake during weight lifting.
And here i am now typing with aching arms
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Good job on getting protein with breakfast!!!! And lunch looks GREAT! Pushups, do as many as you can for 3 or 4 sets. You don't necessarily need to do them throughout the day, you can do them with your weight workout. Do a set of pushups, then do a set of pullups, then pushups, then pullups, then pushups then pullups...
Martin, you're trying to eat atleast 2000 calories a day. If its after lunch and you've only had 1000 calories then you need to figure out how youre going to get another 1000 in before bedtime. If youre friends are going out to dinner then GO! Just try to pick a meal for dinner that is somewhat healthy... stay away from fried foods and order something with veggies... Like maybe a sandwhich on whole wheat bread with a side salad... Or grilled fish with veggies and a baked potato... or a grilled chicken breast with rice and veggies... Not sure what they serve at the restaurant but you should be able to find something somewhat healthy.
The stationary bike is cardio. I've already answered this question like 90 times now. On the weight training days if you don't get much exercise then DO MORE WEIGHTS! Weight training is an exercise and at this point its going to do more good than the cardio. Your weight workout should be HARD and should last from 30 minutes to an hour (depending on how long youre resting between sets and transitioning from one exercise to the next). You should be TIRED after the weight workout. If youre not tired after the weight workout then you should up your weights. Cardio is not going to build muscle. Weights and calories are going to build muscle.
Martin, you're trying to eat atleast 2000 calories a day. If its after lunch and you've only had 1000 calories then you need to figure out how youre going to get another 1000 in before bedtime. If youre friends are going out to dinner then GO! Just try to pick a meal for dinner that is somewhat healthy... stay away from fried foods and order something with veggies... Like maybe a sandwhich on whole wheat bread with a side salad... Or grilled fish with veggies and a baked potato... or a grilled chicken breast with rice and veggies... Not sure what they serve at the restaurant but you should be able to find something somewhat healthy.
The stationary bike is cardio. I've already answered this question like 90 times now. On the weight training days if you don't get much exercise then DO MORE WEIGHTS! Weight training is an exercise and at this point its going to do more good than the cardio. Your weight workout should be HARD and should last from 30 minutes to an hour (depending on how long youre resting between sets and transitioning from one exercise to the next). You should be TIRED after the weight workout. If youre not tired after the weight workout then you should up your weights. Cardio is not going to build muscle. Weights and calories are going to build muscle.
Thanks for that Cassie, it helps alot, gosh, the fat is still there, i know it takes time but it's been over a month, i just feel so uncomfortable with it, i don't feel comfortable wearing a t shirt 
Updated post above, weight training lasts about 30minutes, and i am tired after, i don't see what else i could do to make it last between an hour, maybe all over again, but im not sure if id be able to manage.
Hopefully the fat will go soon, arms are defintely bigger, if they don't feel muscely, they still are more solid, but when u grab them it's not muscle unless you tense, a little bit of fat seems to still be there. Going to try to do some chin ups/pull ups, can't do many of these at all though, but il do as many as i can.
I'm finding it VERY hard to do pull ups/chin ups, chin ups are easier for me but both are really hard, just tried doing some after weight training and couldn't even manage 2. I really struggle with these.
Also whenever i do do push ups, i think it's best if i do before ive lifted alot of weight as arms are achey and it's real hard to do when there achey.
Updated post above, weight training lasts about 30minutes, and i am tired after, i don't see what else i could do to make it last between an hour, maybe all over again, but im not sure if id be able to manage.
Hopefully the fat will go soon, arms are defintely bigger, if they don't feel muscely, they still are more solid, but when u grab them it's not muscle unless you tense, a little bit of fat seems to still be there. Going to try to do some chin ups/pull ups, can't do many of these at all though, but il do as many as i can.
I'm finding it VERY hard to do pull ups/chin ups, chin ups are easier for me but both are really hard, just tried doing some after weight training and couldn't even manage 2. I really struggle with these.
Also whenever i do do push ups, i think it's best if i do before ive lifted alot of weight as arms are achey and it's real hard to do when there achey.
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For the pullups... try doing those and the pushups first... before you have lifted any weights. Then move on to the weights. As a general rule, its a good idea to work your biggest muscle groups first and do your hardest lifts first... then move onto smaller muscle groups and easier lifts.
If your weight training lasts 30 minutes and youre tired after then thats great... do a 30 minute workout. However if you weight train for 30 minutes and then feel like you need to do cardio then you haven't lifted hard enough and should do more weight training.
Don't focus on the FAT! Focus on bulding muscles!!! Chicks dig muscles. :)
I'm glad that your arms are getting more muscular! Yay!!!
If your weight training lasts 30 minutes and youre tired after then thats great... do a 30 minute workout. However if you weight train for 30 minutes and then feel like you need to do cardio then you haven't lifted hard enough and should do more weight training.
Don't focus on the FAT! Focus on bulding muscles!!! Chicks dig muscles. :)
I'm glad that your arms are getting more muscular! Yay!!!
Chicks dig musclescassiegose wrote:For the pullups... try doing those and the pushups first... before you have lifted any weights. Then move on to the weights. As a general rule, its a good idea to work your biggest muscle groups first and do your hardest lifts first... then move onto smaller muscle groups and easier lifts.
If your weight training lasts 30 minutes and youre tired after then thats great... do a 30 minute workout. However if you weight train for 30 minutes and then feel like you need to do cardio then you haven't lifted hard enough and should do more weight training.
Don't focus on the FAT! Focus on bulding muscles!!! Chicks dig muscles.
I'm glad that your arms are getting more muscular! Yay!!!
But they also don't like fat 
Hope it just all works out ok and i get a 6 pack and some muscle, would be great, thanks again for teaching me what i have learnt 
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Martin we talked about this yesterday... We're going to focus on building muscles! From now on I'm choosing to ignore the stomach comments and am only going to focus on you gaining some muscle!
As for what chicks want... As a chick, I would MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer a guy with muscles and a bit of fat then a guy with absolutely no muscles or fat. Most girls that I know don't want a skinny guy with bones and ribs sticking out. They want a guy who looks healthy and has some meat on his bones. Not saying that I want to make you fat, but I would definitely like to see gain some lean mass as i'm concerned about your ribs and shoulder blades sticking out. I say... Eat up buttercup!... and please just trust me on this one ok.
PS: If youd like we can take a poll on this site to see what kind of body type girls prefer in guys? Would that make you feel better?
As for what chicks want... As a chick, I would MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer a guy with muscles and a bit of fat then a guy with absolutely no muscles or fat. Most girls that I know don't want a skinny guy with bones and ribs sticking out. They want a guy who looks healthy and has some meat on his bones. Not saying that I want to make you fat, but I would definitely like to see gain some lean mass as i'm concerned about your ribs and shoulder blades sticking out. I say... Eat up buttercup!... and please just trust me on this one ok.
PS: If youd like we can take a poll on this site to see what kind of body type girls prefer in guys? Would that make you feel better?
Day 37
Half cup of oats, 2 cups of milk, and half a scoop of protein powder.
Lunch, scrambled eggs, on 2 slices of toast, 3 eggs, mixed with a little bit of milk, microwaved and done, had some sauce on it for taste, (tomato ketchup)
Did weight training, lasted about 35minutes where i did those push ups and pull ups. However yet again i can do hardly any push ups/chin ups, i was watching a video, and some guy recommended that for beginers it would be best to support yourself using ur leg. For example, pushing up with 1 leg for support. I had a bigish glass of protein shake after, but yet again i feel sick, i don't know if im drinking it a little too fast or what, should i stop taking it? What do you recommend.
Also, I'm not sure on your views on this, someone else has told me that, at 1 point there calorie intake was no more than 1800, than 1600, and apparently that made a big difference to them getting a 6 pack. I know im trying to get at least 2000 calories a day and build muscle mass, however, i don't see how this is going to help me get a 6 pack, i know you don't want to talk about the fat and all, but please remember this is the main goal.
I'm not going to do cardio today, the weight training was more than enough for me
Dinner - 2 sausage rolls, some oven baked chips, and some beans.
Half cup of oats, 2 cups of milk, and half a scoop of protein powder.
Lunch, scrambled eggs, on 2 slices of toast, 3 eggs, mixed with a little bit of milk, microwaved and done, had some sauce on it for taste, (tomato ketchup)
Did weight training, lasted about 35minutes where i did those push ups and pull ups. However yet again i can do hardly any push ups/chin ups, i was watching a video, and some guy recommended that for beginers it would be best to support yourself using ur leg. For example, pushing up with 1 leg for support. I had a bigish glass of protein shake after, but yet again i feel sick, i don't know if im drinking it a little too fast or what, should i stop taking it? What do you recommend.
Also, I'm not sure on your views on this, someone else has told me that, at 1 point there calorie intake was no more than 1800, than 1600, and apparently that made a big difference to them getting a 6 pack. I know im trying to get at least 2000 calories a day and build muscle mass, however, i don't see how this is going to help me get a 6 pack, i know you don't want to talk about the fat and all, but please remember this is the main goal.
I'm not going to do cardio today, the weight training was more than enough for me
Dinner - 2 sausage rolls, some oven baked chips, and some beans.
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