I just bought 2 tubs of this stuff of a mate at work, he was getting rid of them and sold me 2 tubs for £20, which I couldnt say no to as ive seem them selling for about £40 each
Its an all in one shake which has (per serving mixed with water)
-30g of protein with biomax exclusive whey
-5g of Creatine Monohydrate
-1g of potassium and magnesium bicarbonates
plus other stuff
any one taking this n know if its any good? Also any thing i need to know about creatine? it says to drink twice daily, prior to this i was only drinking protein shakes 1/2 in the morning and 1 after weights (3-4 times a week) should i drink this stuff 7days a week twice daily?
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Forget it.
They claim because it's an all in one product, it's worth it compared to buying the individual components seperate.
Most of the those products contain the big three. Protein, Creatine, Glutamine, and then other things like HMB, ZMA, Chromium etc etc.
Now bearing in mind most people aren't going to go "oh well if it's got some Chromium in it that'll do it for me", you can ignore those, and compare the three big ones as seperate perchases, (not all 5-6 ingredients as seperate products), and see if you can get the best bang for yout buck on those three, and if they do work out about the same price as a combination product, then good, buy them.
If they work out a little bit more, but not much more, still good, as they give you flexibility as well.
All in ones are not flexible.
1. You can't load on the Creatine.
2. You can't split dose the Creatine if you like to do that, say 2-3g before training, 2-3g afterwards.
3. You can't take the all in one product all the time, because of the Creatine, you'd need to cycle off, then you're stuck for a while, unless you buy a Whey powder for the interim period, and if you used the smallest cycle, 3 weeks on 1 off, you're having to buy Whey Protein for just a week, or go for the 3 months one off longest cycle, and get a months worth.
4. If you want 5g Glutamine after workout, and 5 before bed, and possibly a third with Breakfast you can't.
5. If you like 10g after workouts and before bed, you can't.
6. If you just wanted some Whey before bed, for anti-catabolic reasons you can't because of the Creatine. You might have too much Creatine per day.
7. You can't have half a scoop of Whey to top up the Protein in your breakfast, because of the Creatine.
Now if you get a Whey Powder with cranked up Glutamine levels, and you like Whey at night, instead of just Glutamine, then fine, buy a seperate Creatine, and then you might save money on the two, instead of an all in one, and can dose the two how you like.
Problem is, you won't get great results of Creatine, unless you're a seasoned lifter who has some solid mass. If you think about it, any big 230lb ripped juicer, can say in magazines he got 50-60lbs more Bench Press, off crappy old Celltech, (10g Creatine in one dose, healthy for the long term??), but no guy who weighs 150lbs and has been training for 3-6 months, will get that off a Creatine, probably nothing more than 2-4lbs, or just a few reps.
So those are all good reasons not to bother. Heopfully they make sense.
They claim because it's an all in one product, it's worth it compared to buying the individual components seperate.
Most of the those products contain the big three. Protein, Creatine, Glutamine, and then other things like HMB, ZMA, Chromium etc etc.
Now bearing in mind most people aren't going to go "oh well if it's got some Chromium in it that'll do it for me", you can ignore those, and compare the three big ones as seperate perchases, (not all 5-6 ingredients as seperate products), and see if you can get the best bang for yout buck on those three, and if they do work out about the same price as a combination product, then good, buy them.
If they work out a little bit more, but not much more, still good, as they give you flexibility as well.
All in ones are not flexible.
1. You can't load on the Creatine.
2. You can't split dose the Creatine if you like to do that, say 2-3g before training, 2-3g afterwards.
3. You can't take the all in one product all the time, because of the Creatine, you'd need to cycle off, then you're stuck for a while, unless you buy a Whey powder for the interim period, and if you used the smallest cycle, 3 weeks on 1 off, you're having to buy Whey Protein for just a week, or go for the 3 months one off longest cycle, and get a months worth.
4. If you want 5g Glutamine after workout, and 5 before bed, and possibly a third with Breakfast you can't.
5. If you like 10g after workouts and before bed, you can't.
6. If you just wanted some Whey before bed, for anti-catabolic reasons you can't because of the Creatine. You might have too much Creatine per day.
7. You can't have half a scoop of Whey to top up the Protein in your breakfast, because of the Creatine.
Now if you get a Whey Powder with cranked up Glutamine levels, and you like Whey at night, instead of just Glutamine, then fine, buy a seperate Creatine, and then you might save money on the two, instead of an all in one, and can dose the two how you like.
Problem is, you won't get great results of Creatine, unless you're a seasoned lifter who has some solid mass. If you think about it, any big 230lb ripped juicer, can say in magazines he got 50-60lbs more Bench Press, off crappy old Celltech, (10g Creatine in one dose, healthy for the long term??), but no guy who weighs 150lbs and has been training for 3-6 months, will get that off a Creatine, probably nothing more than 2-4lbs, or just a few reps.
So those are all good reasons not to bother. Heopfully they make sense.
Yeh it starts off by sayin 'this has everythin, so its better than buyin separatly!' I'd seen this product in a few fitness magazines, and when a mate at work offered me the deal i couldnt refuse, but now I gotta sell it or somthin.
The whey protein shakes i take at the moment aint that good, i read a topic on this forum from a guy who drinks the same stuff 'york body building whey protein' or woteva, and the feedback was that he should try somethin else. Thats why I bought the maximuscle stuff
Guess i should jus try whey isolate, or n e fin with more protein per serving.
Jus outta intrest what is the deal with creatine, how come u hav to hav an 'off' period, are there side effects from takin it?
N Thanks for the advice
The whey protein shakes i take at the moment aint that good, i read a topic on this forum from a guy who drinks the same stuff 'york body building whey protein' or woteva, and the feedback was that he should try somethin else. Thats why I bought the maximuscle stuff
Guess i should jus try whey isolate, or n e fin with more protein per serving.
Jus outta intrest what is the deal with creatine, how come u hav to hav an 'off' period, are there side effects from takin it?
N Thanks for the advice
tgere is nothing unhealkty about creatine at all...it's like everything else, constant use and you get used to it so the effects decrease each time you take it...you'll never have as good results as the first time you used it...i've yet to use it properly so i'll save it foir when i really need a boost in performance and because i've waited and let natural training and eating do it's thing until it won;t anymore, i'll still be making great gains when the 20 year olds who have used creatine for 5 years will never get anything out of it
There is unfortunately. Though it should be stressed, inadequate water intake, taking too much Creatine, and also drinking booze whilst you use it, would be contributing factors.
Safe use with cycling off is perfectly okay of course. However I still wouldn't say that 10g at once, from products like Celltech, is healthy in the long term.
Creatine might also possibly in many years to come, be a contributing factor in Gout, (though almost certainly not a sole cause), as most if not all Amino Acids have Nitrogen bonds, and Creatine, from memory is about 3 Aminos combined, one of which is Arginine.
Safe use with cycling off is perfectly okay of course. However I still wouldn't say that 10g at once, from products like Celltech, is healthy in the long term.
Creatine might also possibly in many years to come, be a contributing factor in Gout, (though almost certainly not a sole cause), as most if not all Amino Acids have Nitrogen bonds, and Creatine, from memory is about 3 Aminos combined, one of which is Arginine.
if you don't drink no water then nothing works but who drinks no water? even if you had 1 litre a day there would still be no side effects, it just wouldnt work is all
too much creatine is the same, it might work but you're wasteing your cash by having too much
grop and creatine? well if you're stupid enough then you deserve whatever happens to you
too much creatine is the same, it might work but you're wasteing your cash by having too much
grop and creatine? well if you're stupid enough then you deserve whatever happens to you
The product is over priced and you get through a tub in about 10 days.
Don't get me started on the taste! Maximuscle make great advertising and have made sports nutrtion main stream in the U.K, you can even pick it up in the supermarket!
Your better of taking creatine and glutamine seperate as for hmb forget it not enough studies been done on it and its one of them supps that work "for some"
Don't get me started on the taste! Maximuscle make great advertising and have made sports nutrtion main stream in the U.K, you can even pick it up in the supermarket!
Your better of taking creatine and glutamine seperate as for hmb forget it not enough studies been done on it and its one of them supps that work "for some"
HMB, been there, got the T-shirt. Mild benefits, but a waste of money. Half a tub of caps binned. Never again. Wrong reasons coupled with naivity. Wisened me up though.
Still at leats the helpline people didn't say I had to use 2 caps pre and post-workout or else nothing would happen, they did say using just 1, P and PW might work, but not quite as well.
I tried that to save money. If they'd said oh you gotta use the 4 caps, split dose methodology, or nothing happens, I'd have been skeptical, as that might have smacked of a use more, buy more mentality, and some companies do that with supps, which is why you need to be aware, that reccomended limits might be safe to stay within, but may still be higher than is "optimal", so then you're getting no additional benefit, but no harm either.
Still at leats the helpline people didn't say I had to use 2 caps pre and post-workout or else nothing would happen, they did say using just 1, P and PW might work, but not quite as well.
I tried that to save money. If they'd said oh you gotta use the 4 caps, split dose methodology, or nothing happens, I'd have been skeptical, as that might have smacked of a use more, buy more mentality, and some companies do that with supps, which is why you need to be aware, that reccomended limits might be safe to stay within, but may still be higher than is "optimal", so then you're getting no additional benefit, but no harm either.
I made the mistake of buying the powder form as it was cheaper! The stuff smelt rotten! For recovery you can't go wrong with L-glutamine they use the stuff in medicine to treat burns victims. It really makes a difference the only problem is you gotta use it consistently to get the benefits. Thats all for me these days, Whey, L-glutamine and flaxseed oil. Have used creatine and its effective but I used to hold about 4lbs of water, not good when I had to make weight