Protein poweders for hardgainers???

dagr8kewlrishi · Post by **dagr8kewlrishi** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:33 pm

I just started working out, can someone please advice me on using the right protein poweders to put on weight and muscles at the same time. by the way im a hardgainer and only weight 120 pounds

. advice would be great.

Heelus · Post by **Heelus** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:54 pm

you are not an hardgainer you are just not working you hard enough and/or are undereating ... Post your diet and workout we will help you.

Mystik · Post by **Mystik** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:36 am

What have you done in the past to gain weight that you would classify yourself as a hardgainer? Like Heelus said, post your workout and diet plan and we can help from there.

dagr8kewlrishi · Post by **dagr8kewlrishi** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:53 pm

currently i take muscle milk.

MrCheese · Post by **MrCheese** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:50 am

I personally use NitroTech from muscletech. I've put on 5kg of muscle over the past 3 months. This goes hand in hand with training hard and eating right for it to properly do its job and not just wasting your money.
Just google NitroTech, I wouldnt go to the main muscletech site, its too PR ridden, exaggerated advertising.

Heelus · Post by **Heelus** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:43 am

dagr8kewlrishi wrote:currently i take muscle milk.

Did you read our post ?

okay let's make this ... SUPPS WON'T MAKE YOU BIGGER/STRONGER ! Muscle milk is shit by the way find yourself a fat-free PP for post workout and get yourself a worthy diet and a good workout.

/moron

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:16 am

stop worrying about protein powder, train then eat then sleep and repeat

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:44 am

MrCheese wrote:I personally use NitroTech from muscletech. I've put on 5kg of muscle over the past 3 months. This goes hand in hand with training hard and eating right for it to properly do its job and not just wasting your money.
Just google NitroTech, I wouldnt go to the main muscletech site, its too PR ridden, exaggerated advertising.

Pefsonally I wouldn't reccomend anything they have to offer. Their stuff is too pricey, and frankly that Nitrotechstuff has a small amount of Creatine in it, making it inflexibile.

If you wanted any extra P P during the day, you'd risk having too much Creatine per day, and if you like to split dose Creatine, I.E. 2-3 grams before and 2-3 grams after a workout, you can't with Nitrotech, without either having too much Creatine, or too much Protein or both.

In opinion, just buy a good Concentrate with something like Maltodextrin in it, possibly boosted Glutamine and BCAA's, and if needs be, just buy some Freeform Creatine seperately, and dose it how you like, though a lot of people don't really need Creatine anyway, and if they're not very powerful or well built, the results off it would be pretty bland.

dagr8kewlrishi · Post by **dagr8kewlrishi** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:10 pm

what do u guys recommend for protein? and i also need some advice on creatine as well.

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:43 am

Protein Powder, read previous comments.

Creatine, unless you're pretty solid, forget it, waste of money if you're not built for it. Don't ever believe the B.S. mnagazine articles, claiming some ripped up juicer, got 60lbs of Bench Press or so off crappy old Celltech, as that might happen for a big 230lb Juicer, but not for guys packing 80lbs less mass and size, not even close.

Boopster · Post by **Boopster** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:36 pm

dagr8kewlrishi wrote:I just started working out, can someone please advice me on using the right protein poweders to put on weight and muscles at the same time. by the way im a hardgainer and only weight 120 pounds . advice would be great.

Increase protein/ naturally through chicken breast, turkey, fish, and lean beef.
Eat 6 small meals a day
Reduce endurance training; switch to HIIT
Add BCAA's & Glutamine
Add protein powder to post work-out for quick absorption plus dextrose or waxymaize which already has a perfect mix of creatine in it. Any protein powder will do but I prefer dymatize or optimum nutrition brands. Easy on the palate for me and you can buy them in bulk so you save $$$$.

This was problem so I will respectfully diasgree with Heelus. I was working off, metabolism was on high speed and burned way too much for me to gain. Increased solid protein by 6-7 ounces per meal, oats, and sweet potatoes fresh greens. Then and only then did I gain the mass I needed to compete. Plus I quit all cardio for about 3 months. Good luck

yojimbo1974 · Post by **yojimbo1974** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:33 am

while on topic,im scared to death im going to gain fat by not doing cardio for a period of time...

ancosa · Post by **ancosa** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:47 am

I have been lurking on these forums for a while but felt I needed to post something when I saw this topic. Back in may I weighed 125 pounds, and decided I wanted to gain some weight and build some muscle. I was working out everyday and getting extremely cut up but I couldn't put on any weight. It was very frustrating and I tried dif protein powders etc and obviously none of them really worked. I was eating somewhere around 3000 cals if you included the cals from the protein shakes and stil, no weight gain.

Some time around august I came to the conclusion that I needed to eat enormous amounts of food if I was ever going to be able to gain weight. Most of life I have eaten pretty healthy : lean meats, fruits and veggies, but almost NO carbs whatsoever. I hated bread and bagels and stuff like that. A lot of people on here will tell you to avoid carbs but if you are truly a hard gainer like I was, your going to need them.

I continued to eat like like I normally did, but added in roughly 4 peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches a day, in between meals etc. Also, I would constantly snack on bread w/ nutella, bagels w/ cream cheese etc. This will prob only work if your body is similar to mine, or else you may get a lil fat from al the bread lol. Anyway it is now the end of december and I have finally hit 150 pounds. I will post a pic later on to prove that I am no where near the vacinity of being chubby, I am VERY lean and have made leaps and bounds in workout routine.

Basically to sum it up, EAT MORE. EAT MORE THAN YOU THINK IS RATIONAL. It going to seem retarded at first, like your gonna be like who the hell could possibly eat this much, but eventually your stomach gets used to it and you actualy start to become hungry for that amount of food and you wont have to force it anymore. Hope this helped.

Also, the only supplements I take are :

100% whey protein w/ whole milk 3x per day 2 scoops
Fish Oil
MultiVitamin

Packard · Post by **Packard** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:33 pm

yojimbo1974 wrote:while on topic,im scared to death im going to gain fat by not doing cardio for a period of time...

Cardio in and of itself will not cause you to gain or lose fat.

It does increase your caloric requirements by about 300 calories to 800 calories per hour of training. So to keep your body weight where it is, you would need to either burn off those calories with some other exercise, or reduce your caloric intake.

So let's say you eliminate your cardio and that gives you a surplus of about 300 calories per day. So 300 x 7 days = 2,100 calories. I know there is no mathematical equivalent for everyone, but in general 2,100 calories will be about 2/3 of a pound in weight gain.

If you have a good high protein diet and you are weight training you might put on 1/3 of a pound in muscle. You would need to do some other training to keep from storing that extra caloric intake as fat (or reduce your intake of calories).

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:41 pm

Ancosa, not sure what you have been reading, but nobody here advocates zero Carbs in the diet, if they do they get put straight.

Zero Carbs in unhealthy, and unless you're a Mr O competitor looking for 3% bf, thne not even a BB at the top amateur level would totally obliterate Carbs from a pre-contest diet.

As for the Whey and milk switch to water.

1. It reduces the calories making it absorb and breakdown quicker, as water is zero calorie.

2. It reduces the amount of Casein, making it absorb quicker.

3. It reduces the amount of Enzymes needed to breakdown the liquid, causing less enzymatic competition / activity, thereby increasing absorbtiob time.

The faster a shake absorbs after workouts the better, so barring the Protein and added Carbs, either what's in it, or something like Crushed Oats for example, you don't really want anything else in there like Milk, as it's not useful to the digestion process, or synthesis of the Protein.