I understand your point of view. But do disagree, mass can be built.
cheers though
hypertrophy question.
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But he's clearly doing more than sissy squats in that scenario, back squats, leg curls and extensions.swanso5 wrote:well there is no actual proof but if they were the only leg exercise you did you wouldn't gain a thing
- less muscles used
- less wt used
- less joints used
i think these all equate to less muscle gained
If you can do sissy squats well and with weight, they will build muscle, just like any lift with weight will.
it all comes back to the exoerience factor i suppose...we're always telling the yougsters on here to build up some strength and muscle then think about doing split routines, iso's etc...for memery you've only be back into it for a yr which would put you "back" in that boat in book
there's just so many better exercies out there i just don't get why you'd want to do them
there's just so many better exercies out there i just don't get why you'd want to do them
Yep, I am definitely a youngster LOL
There is no harm in trying something, it's the only way you know if it will work. Stepping outside your comfort zone is crucial for success in anything a person does.
For anyone interested, I'm back in it seriously for 2 years (I'm 41, almost 42). I've been "working out" or training for a specific goal on and off for over 20 years. I have played or participated in various sports for just as long, with skiing being the number 1 choice. I took an extended break when I started own business and a short break when daughter was born. I am a certified personal trainer and work at a local gym part time and still have graphics company. I participated in first meet yesterday and have another one next month.
I hope resume gives me enough credibility to advise people on a general fitness forum. Whether a person considers me a noob or not, I really don't care.
There is no harm in trying something, it's the only way you know if it will work. Stepping outside your comfort zone is crucial for success in anything a person does.
For anyone interested, I'm back in it seriously for 2 years (I'm 41, almost 42). I've been "working out" or training for a specific goal on and off for over 20 years. I have played or participated in various sports for just as long, with skiing being the number 1 choice. I took an extended break when I started own business and a short break when daughter was born. I am a certified personal trainer and work at a local gym part time and still have graphics company. I participated in first meet yesterday and have another one next month.
I hope resume gives me enough credibility to advise people on a general fitness forum. Whether a person considers me a noob or not, I really don't care.
Diana, your knowledge alone outways your experience which outways the majority on here.
Cheers hun.
As for me........
Back in for 6 mos now. I have always wanted to bench 300 + pounds for a personal goal. I refuse to use drugs to acheive any lifting or fitness goal. I quit smoking 6 mos ago. I'm 34 and been reading about weights and fitness since I was 14 searching for the "best" ways to build and grow even if I wasn't actively doing.
At 18 Bench 1 rep max was 265 lbs, I weighted 210 lbs. I blew shoulders shortly after (accute tendinitus from overtraining) started smoking and stopped lifting. I can rep 210 lbs now for 3 sets at 9,8 and 7 reps respectively, I weigh 230 lbs. At 18, full rear squats scared the crap outa me and I never went over 200 lbs. Friday I tiered up over 4 sets to 255 lbs 8 reps, no wraps, no belt, no spotters, full (past 90 degrees) squats. back, knees and legs are in no pain.
I have no PT courses, diet courses, health classes (other than gym) to site as credentials. I can only say I've read, researched, listened and experienced things through myself or by observing others.
cheers
Cheers hun.
As for me........
Back in for 6 mos now. I have always wanted to bench 300 + pounds for a personal goal. I refuse to use drugs to acheive any lifting or fitness goal. I quit smoking 6 mos ago. I'm 34 and been reading about weights and fitness since I was 14 searching for the "best" ways to build and grow even if I wasn't actively doing.
At 18 Bench 1 rep max was 265 lbs, I weighted 210 lbs. I blew shoulders shortly after (accute tendinitus from overtraining) started smoking and stopped lifting. I can rep 210 lbs now for 3 sets at 9,8 and 7 reps respectively, I weigh 230 lbs. At 18, full rear squats scared the crap outa me and I never went over 200 lbs. Friday I tiered up over 4 sets to 255 lbs 8 reps, no wraps, no belt, no spotters, full (past 90 degrees) squats. back, knees and legs are in no pain.
I have no PT courses, diet courses, health classes (other than gym) to site as credentials. I can only say I've read, researched, listened and experienced things through myself or by observing others.
cheers
typically your greatest hypertrophy gains will be in the 6-12 rep range...where you will use anywhere from 67%-85% of your 1RM
do 3-6 sets per excersize 1-2 exercises per muscle group...give yourself 30-90 seconds rest between sets
also add cadence...its pretty easy to use momentum in alot of excersises...for example if you do tbar rows...i can easily put 5-6 plates on and rep it 10 times for 3 sets...but if i put on 2 plates and use a 2-4 cadence i am burnin out at the end of the set...doesnt take nearly as much weight and i always feel like i got a much better workout...think about it...if you lift something 10 times like most people do benching 1 second up 1 second down...your total muscle time under tension is 20 seconds...if you do it 8 reps 2 seconds up 4 seconds down your at 48 seconds under tension which will cause greater muscle tear
any other questions just send me a message
do 3-6 sets per excersize 1-2 exercises per muscle group...give yourself 30-90 seconds rest between sets
also add cadence...its pretty easy to use momentum in alot of excersises...for example if you do tbar rows...i can easily put 5-6 plates on and rep it 10 times for 3 sets...but if i put on 2 plates and use a 2-4 cadence i am burnin out at the end of the set...doesnt take nearly as much weight and i always feel like i got a much better workout...think about it...if you lift something 10 times like most people do benching 1 second up 1 second down...your total muscle time under tension is 20 seconds...if you do it 8 reps 2 seconds up 4 seconds down your at 48 seconds under tension which will cause greater muscle tear
any other questions just send me a message
and ya...u guys that just started working out again...havent u heard...with the new types of gravity we have out nowadays some weight training exercises are obsolete...freakin old school lifters....
unless of course your thinking that your muscle will take on a specific adaptation for imposed demands...but that would just be stupid...
im rly getting tired of seeing people saying some exercises dont do anything...leg extensions are great IF thats the muscle your trying to "improve" try doing heavy leg extensions then go and do your squats...at the same weight as you normally do...the extensions obvisouly did something haha
as long as you know what muscle the exercise is doing and how to do the exercise properly...i think they are all great if that is the muscle your trying to target...i mean me....i like the big 3...bench..deadlift...squat..they are favorite exercises...but believe me...i do leg curls, extensions...the works
unless of course your thinking that your muscle will take on a specific adaptation for imposed demands...but that would just be stupid...
im rly getting tired of seeing people saying some exercises dont do anything...leg extensions are great IF thats the muscle your trying to "improve" try doing heavy leg extensions then go and do your squats...at the same weight as you normally do...the extensions obvisouly did something haha
as long as you know what muscle the exercise is doing and how to do the exercise properly...i think they are all great if that is the muscle your trying to target...i mean me....i like the big 3...bench..deadlift...squat..they are favorite exercises...but believe me...i do leg curls, extensions...the works
hmmmm, rynuku, I'm a born again lifter and D said she's 2 years back in. I don't believe anyone else said they were. Yes a few of us are "old school" But just because the times change don't mean certain exercises become obsolete.
I do agree that each exercise for specific body building is needed. But someone with low muscle definition and strength should minimize isolation exercises and train on the compound lifts and try to steer clear of machines. More strength gains will come from the compound rather than the isolation excercises.
None of us say these excercises are useless just poor for the average lifter such as anyone in there first year or two. Why work small muscles that can be incorporated into big lifts? Waste of time and energy, litterally, for those trying to lose weight and gain muscle. A sculpter removes chunks of clay with a chisel at first to acheive the desired shapes and then uses smaller and smaller tools to shape his masterpiece and create the detail. All these tools are in his toolbox but there are times and places and reasons to use each.
"--freakin new school lifters--"-lol
come on is this necessary?
Cheers mate
I do agree that each exercise for specific body building is needed. But someone with low muscle definition and strength should minimize isolation exercises and train on the compound lifts and try to steer clear of machines. More strength gains will come from the compound rather than the isolation excercises.
None of us say these excercises are useless just poor for the average lifter such as anyone in there first year or two. Why work small muscles that can be incorporated into big lifts? Waste of time and energy, litterally, for those trying to lose weight and gain muscle. A sculpter removes chunks of clay with a chisel at first to acheive the desired shapes and then uses smaller and smaller tools to shape his masterpiece and create the detail. All these tools are in his toolbox but there are times and places and reasons to use each.
"--freakin new school lifters--"-lol
come on is this necessary?
Cheers mate
i was DEFINITELY being sarcastic that whole post lol...i said with the new types of gravity we have now days lol....i dont think gravity has changed in the last 5 years
and when i said specific adaptations for imposed demands...thats the SAID principle for PT's
when i said freakin old school lifters it was meant with every bit of HAHA i have lol
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and when i said specific adaptations for imposed demands...thats the SAID principle for PT's
when i said freakin old school lifters it was meant with every bit of HAHA i have lol
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