what the?
I'm used to doing three exercises for each body part and getting darn good results ----is he right, or am I just hot under the collar?
Thats it, i'm not listening to trainers anymore
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Thats it, i'm not listening to trainers anymore
another trainer at gym had the nerve to tell me yesterday that I dont need to do more than two variations each exercise, because afterall, I'm "not trying to build muscle"
what the?
I'm used to doing three exercises for each body part and getting darn good results ----is he right, or am I just hot under the collar?
what the?
I'm used to doing three exercises for each body part and getting darn good results ----is he right, or am I just hot under the collar?
i'd have to agree somewhat there...
here's what i do for each session of the week:
workout 1 - lower body
heavy dead or squat variation
single leg variation
glute/ham variation
prehab/assistance type movement
workout 2 - upper body
heavy bench variation
secondary bench/shoulder press and back variation
another back variation but a row if the 1st was a pull up and vice versa coupled with 1 or 2 other prehab type exercises for the shoulder girdle
workouts 3 and 4 are based on the same thing but different exercises
as you can see i train movements more so than muscles which is a better way to do things with each movement being trained once a session and in bench presses case, an exercise to strengthen a specific phase of it
here's what i do for each session of the week:
workout 1 - lower body
heavy dead or squat variation
single leg variation
glute/ham variation
prehab/assistance type movement
workout 2 - upper body
heavy bench variation
secondary bench/shoulder press and back variation
another back variation but a row if the 1st was a pull up and vice versa coupled with 1 or 2 other prehab type exercises for the shoulder girdle
workouts 3 and 4 are based on the same thing but different exercises
as you can see i train movements more so than muscles which is a better way to do things with each movement being trained once a session and in bench presses case, an exercise to strengthen a specific phase of it
I see merit in both points, the first and the next.
You don't need a lot of variation, but you can sometimes do so if you wish. I don't see the harm in cutting it completely out, just don't be too ready to think, that if you can use many different ways to tackle the same areas, you should use them.
I tend to train the same way pretty much all the time. Exercises vary very infrequently, as I don't need the hassle of remembering what things I've replaced, how much I can lift or not etc etc, for me keeping things the same ,makes it easy to just crack on with it, and get done.
However you clearly know yourself best, and you clearly get results doing what you're doing. The only thing then is, is how you do it quite time consuming, or is duration of sessions a beneficial length?
You don't need a lot of variation, but you can sometimes do so if you wish. I don't see the harm in cutting it completely out, just don't be too ready to think, that if you can use many different ways to tackle the same areas, you should use them.
I tend to train the same way pretty much all the time. Exercises vary very infrequently, as I don't need the hassle of remembering what things I've replaced, how much I can lift or not etc etc, for me keeping things the same ,makes it easy to just crack on with it, and get done.
However you clearly know yourself best, and you clearly get results doing what you're doing. The only thing then is, is how you do it quite time consuming, or is duration of sessions a beneficial length?
variation can be important though but it's how it;s used that will provide the best benefits$ and here i go another full body workout rant again...
if you want to good at something what do you do? that's right you practice it by doing more of it and more frequently
now if you wanna get strong, big or whatever you should do the same thing...if you wanted to learn how to type quickly you wouldn;t do 3hrs on one day of the week and not do it again for 7 days
in this case it's best to spread it out over the same amount but over more days so maybe 3 x 1hr etc
getting back to training, instead of doing 3 sets for bench press, incline press and decline press in one day, i think it's way better to do bench day 1, incline day 2 and decline day 3 for 3 sets again...this way you'll get the same volume but you'll use more wt overall as you'll be fresh when doing declines as you haven't done 6 sets of chest before it
make sense?
if you want to good at something what do you do? that's right you practice it by doing more of it and more frequently
now if you wanna get strong, big or whatever you should do the same thing...if you wanted to learn how to type quickly you wouldn;t do 3hrs on one day of the week and not do it again for 7 days
in this case it's best to spread it out over the same amount but over more days so maybe 3 x 1hr etc
getting back to training, instead of doing 3 sets for bench press, incline press and decline press in one day, i think it's way better to do bench day 1, incline day 2 and decline day 3 for 3 sets again...this way you'll get the same volume but you'll use more wt overall as you'll be fresh when doing declines as you haven't done 6 sets of chest before it
make sense?
swanso5 wrote:i'd have to agree somewhat there...
here's what i do for each session of the week:
workout 1 - lower body
heavy dead or squat variation
single leg variation
glute/ham variation
prehab/assistance type movement
workout 2 - upper body
heavy bench variation
secondary bench/shoulder press and back variation
another back variation but a row if the 1st was a pull up and vice versa coupled with 1 or 2 other prehab type exercises for the shoulder girdle
workouts 3 and 4 are based on the same thing but different exercises
as you can see i train movements more so than muscles which is a better way to do things with each movement being trained once a session and in bench presses case, an exercise to strengthen a specific phase of it
I see your point...but do I stick to what has worked, or what?
Ok, it takes me 30-40 mins tops to get it done if say for example, I'm doing as session of shoulders and back.Boss Man wrote:
However you clearly know yourself best, and you clearly get results doing what you're doing. The only thing then is, is how you do it quite time consuming, or is duration of sessions a beneficial length?
It takes me just about the same amount of time if I'm doing a lower body workout with 2-3 variations for each target muscle.
I tend to do more variations for upper body workouts than I do for lower body workouts. Is 30-40 mins too long?
Yes, this right here makes sense to me....BUT, would i be getting in some amount of cardio momentum in there too if I do all three on the same day? ---meaning, as someone who still has some body fat to lose, i'd be using up more energy on that one day, right?swanso5 wrote: getting back to training, instead of doing 3 sets for bench press, incline press and decline press in one day, i think it's way better to do bench day 1, incline day 2 and decline day 3 for 3 sets again...this way you'll get the same volume but you'll use more wt overall as you'll be fresh when doing declines as you haven't done 6 sets of chest before it
make sense?
you burn far more cal's per workout for full body workouts than muscle workouts...if you can do 3 exercies for 2 muscles in 30 - 40mins i don't think you're doing it hard enough...that's about 12 sets and if your doing them hard than you'd need to rest from "accumulation" so i think you could go heavuier...with full body workouts you can go in a circuit fashion and even though the body is continuously working, you'll get 5mins + rest btw sets of the same exercise so the "accumulation' isn;t as bad...as long as your fitness level can keep you working, your good to go
i'd strongly advise doing as suggested above
i'd strongly advise doing as suggested above
No, 30-40 minutes a session is not excessive, so that's fine.
The overriding factor here is, if you do something works, then a logical conclusion is stick with it. Though that's not to say other ways can't, but it then means finding an alternative that works, and spending 2-3 weeks a time, trying to ascertain what benefit you're getting, which is time spent not doing stuff you know does work.
Change can be good. Familiarity with known benefits also good. Just choose a comfortable way of progressing, either changed or familiar, and then do that.
The overriding factor here is, if you do something works, then a logical conclusion is stick with it. Though that's not to say other ways can't, but it then means finding an alternative that works, and spending 2-3 weeks a time, trying to ascertain what benefit you're getting, which is time spent not doing stuff you know does work.
Change can be good. Familiarity with known benefits also good. Just choose a comfortable way of progressing, either changed or familiar, and then do that.
Trust me Swanso, I'm working hard enough... endurance level is pretty good, so I can work hard for long, even though youre not supposed to be able to ---dunno why though...
Oh, I do full body workouts 1-2 times per week, but do specifics on the other days.
I rest less than a minute in between sets and I go up with the amount of weights I use every 1-2 weeks.
Thanks for the advice ---you and Bossman both...i'll let you guys know how I'm progressing
Oh, I do full body workouts 1-2 times per week, but do specifics on the other days.
I rest less than a minute in between sets and I go up with the amount of weights I use every 1-2 weeks.
Thanks for the advice ---you and Bossman both...i'll let you guys know how I'm progressing
i think i meant to say heavy enough....you can use lightish ets and still work hard but they won't burn many calories...there is a different...i know that when i'm lifting over 100kgs that i'm working hard...i'm not puffed, but i'm close to max which is what i class as working hard, not simply getting puffed and sweaty...you should full body each day and multi joint exercises only