Showing reasoning for going on the V-Diet.

[swanso5]

- why do 3 - 4 sets of beach muscles when you do 3 - 4 sets of power cleans?
- yes eat more
- lifting heavy will maintain strength and muscle...creatine doesn't induce muscle growth, calories do
- solid protein - turkey, eggs, tuna, sardines, salmon, chicken, red meat, pork, fish...choose 1
- second meal maybe have a boild egg or 2 with 1/2 an apple than the same after class
- make your sprints longer, maybe 20 - 30secs with the same rest and cut your time down...even better go out on a track and sprint
- 10 x 3 is the best mass scheme you can use, there's nothing wrong with that...3 x 10 and 10 x 3 both equal 30 total reps but now compare your 4 - 5rm to your 8 - 10RM...see where i'm going?
- have your multivitamin with your second meal
- not bread and fruit together, too many carbs
- pre work have solid protein and veg/salad...not a shake
- post have a protein and sugary cerial

[HOUSTON TEXAN]

But hypertrophy hypertrophy hypertrophy, don't you need to go into hypertrophy to induce muscle growth from weight lifting?

I wasn't thinking of dropping any lifts just adding in some bicep and tricep lifts.

[swanso5]

it's all about how much wt you use and i'm sure you can lift more wt for any o lift out there than you could curl...you can't induce hypertrophy with light wts

[Christopheel]

Yes and another basic required for fat lost, carb timing (witch you seem to be misunderstanding) :

Breakfast : You can have a moderate amount simple/refined/fruits carbs and proteins

after workout is the only other moment you can have carbs from other source than veggies/fruits

in the three first meal you can have a fruit

rest of the time carbs must comes from veggies than are not peas or corn.

Never drink your carbs.

That some few carbs timing basics for fat lost ...

[Boss Man]

after workout is the only other moment you can have carbs from other source than veggies/fruits

What about Nuts, like Cashews?

What about things like Peanuts and Lentils?

Possibly even Wild and Brown Rice.

Those kind of sources are all, or should all be complex Carb sources. Yes some have a Protein and / or healthy Fats, but essentially there's nothing to prevent someone having things like that, at the periods of the day stated, as long as they are aware of the Fat and / or Protein content, and adjust accordingly.

Also there could be things like certain Yoghurts and Skimmed Milk, that might be deemed okay too.

It's just that many people probably think Veggies and Fruits are more priority choices, because of the old 5 a day addage.

Certain things like that can contain anti-oxidents, which things like Legume, Grain and possibly Pasta sources may not contain, but essentially the body needs its of some Healthy Fats, HDL Cholesterol, Amino Acids, and good Carb, so realistically I think personally, whilst I don't disagree with Fruits or Veggies in any way, as making up the bulk of Carb intake, I think 5 a day is an over-emphasised concept, and doesn't need to be adhered to as rigidly as some might advocate.

[swanso5]

- nuts and lentils are fine but i'd never advocate them over veggies and if having a decent body is what you want than 5 serves a day is a bare minimum, ecpwecially if starting from far behind the eight ball...i like to get people choosing the right foods at the right imes before anything else so helathy fats would be included later..as i always stae rice can be had but only at breakfast and after training...diary is an iffy one because we don't really it after about the age of 6 and most people will go for yoghurt whichg are choc full of carbs and not enough protein so that's wjhy i leave them out..again once they progress in there efforts and food choices, this can be an option down the road

[Boss Man]

Well essentially I was just commenting on what someone else had said, but I agree with things you said.

Essentially I'm not saying things like Lentils should necessarily outweigh veggies, although as I said things like Dairy and Starch sources, Milk, Yoghurt, Lentils, Corn, Peas, Rice, Wholegrain products etc etc, can be part of the regime from the getgo, as long as people acknowledge they are not predominantly one Macro, they may have a dominant Macro content, but at least 20-30% will be something else, so making sure that is factored into a plan is perfectly fine.

Also Danish studies in recent years revealed a high Calcium diet can help to remove Fat via excretion, and if people consume less Dairy, and certain Legume / Nut sources, there's a risk of low Calcium intake.

Soybeans and Almonds have Calcium, but Dairy is always a good Calcium choice, and a good choice for Complete Proteins, as well as things like Iron and Vit D.

Also Corn is a good Lutein source, and possibly Zeaxanthin too, and some Legumes and starch sources good for things like Vit C as well.

Such choices also help if the person is Vegetarian.

I don't disagree with your reasoning Swanso, but I do feel myself personally, 5 a day is a sound maxim, but it doesn't need to be worshipped like some sort of diet religion, if the person doesn't want to, as long as the person is getting a good healthy Macro intake, from healthy sources, and is not going to become mineral deficient, or lethargic, or lose mental sharpness, has or develops an eating disorder etc etc.

I think people who advertise healthy foods, and bleat on about it's good for you, it's one of your 5 a day, are possibly making the point too messiah like, as if it's an absolute must do, and I think if people all adhere rigidly to it, it cuts down on variety, and could make some people more overly diet conscious, and possibly even worry that having some Rice for Dinner, (as an example), was in some way bad, because they didn't eat some Broccoli instead.

So hay that's just me. Nothing wrong with that I feel, same as what you said, it's just an interpretation of the situation. No exacting rules, just choice for the individual.

Besides if someone doesn't want things like Lentils and Corn, who am I to force them .

[swanso5]

chris's post wasn't there when i responded...

you'd be suprised how little calcium is actually in dairy...

bossman you're spot on but the info i prescribe is for "optimal" results...of course there's a million ways to do it but for the quickest results, optimal methods are the way to go

in real life they aren't always easy to do but if you have the time etc than why not be optimal?

for me i don;t have fruit with breakfast as i wouldn't make work and have it with meals 2 and 3...i have probaby 4 - 5 serves of basic frozen mixed veggies most days so i'm not optimal either but with the time i have and "day" spacing it's better than 90% of the world's population because i PRIORITSE it

[Boss Man]

Don't disagree.

I think there's a slight confusion here.

The comment I originally made, was quoting Chris's post, about the 3rd post on this thread, which appeared after your first one, then you commented after me. That's originally where I interjected, in relation to what he had said, not you, but I don't mind debate or what might be called a cross-fertilisation of ideas or thinking .

True Calcium may not be highly prevalent in dairy, but it is a pretty good source either way.

Like I say, I'm not looking to create some kind of ripple. I'm just saying something slightly different to you, and I think either thing that was said has enough merit, and of course whne it comes down to it, it's what the individual chooses to consider, whoever writes it .

[bmac_21]

550lb squat?....
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[HOUSTON TEXAN]

I used to be on the powerlifting team at school fresh and soph years then I gained too much weight, there is where the strength came from.

[cshapland]

there is a 16 year old with a 675 1rm squat

[Christopheel]

there is a 16 year old with a 675 1rm squat

Video or it didn't happen, was it a gorilla ?

[HOUSTON TEXAN]

there is a 16 year old with a 675 1rm squat

Video or it didn't happen, was it a gorilla ?

thoughts exactly.

[cshapland]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kc1ngVh5UW0&feature=related
here you go