Hey all, I just have a quick question that I wanted to pose to you and maybe you could help me out with decision making process. I wanted to lose some weight, but like most people, diet and exercise were working slowly but surely. So eventually, you start looking for some things to pick up the pace.
I came across Garcinia Cambogia when I was looking around for weight loss supplements. From what I have read, this fruit grows in southwest India, Indonesia, and Myanmar (wherever that is haha). Now the reason that I started becoming interested in trying it is because I have found that three of friends had tried it for themselves and had some good results. This is not something that makes you go ‘oh god’ (diet and exercise are still important) but still good results.
Apparently, the reason behind the fact that it works is a derivative of citric acid called Hydroxycitric acid, HCA. Studies have shown that it can work on the metabolism of lipid. There is clinical research that shows that it can have a significant effect on weight loss.
The reason I started becoming skeptical is that Dr. Oz promoted the extract of the Garcinia Cambogia back in 2012. I have started to feel that some of the things that Dr. Oz recommends are a marketing gimmick. This despite the fact that I have people I know personally who recommend it.
Is there anyone who has tried it before? That has given the product a shot and seen if it works for them? It sounds interesting but as I said, Dr. Oz does not always appear to be authentic. What do you think?
Has anyone ever ordered on http://www.reesin.com/gc.html?
An issue with Dr. Oz?
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Re: An issue with Dr. Oz?
sister in law swears by this stuff. Who knows??
Re: An issue with Dr. Oz?
honest and frank conclusions.
That video sounded suspicious.
3.5kg is a difference of 2.3kg's versus the 1.2kg and when I tired to work that out it came in at around 65% difference, comparing 2.3 to 3.5, so I don't know how that 85% number they stated was derived.
It said the group given Garcinia Cambogia were given other herbs, but which "other herbs" were not stated and that could have impacted on the weight loss, because you're not isolating the effects of the G C and as the "other herbs" are not stated, then how many of them have touted connections to weight loss, because if any of them do, then isolation of G C was not achieved, making it pretty much impossible to know or prove, if G C had any effect on weight versus any or all of the other herbs.
That's like telling someone to cut their carbs by 20% and also start walking a mile a day, then saying the weight loss was down to reduced carbs. Whereas if it was simply either cut carbs, or walk a mile a day, that person would know what effect the one thing had on their weight.
It also mentions nothing about the control group at all.
It mentions nothing about what sort of diet any of the two groups of people were on; what starting weights, what age range, what gender, how many, were they using any other supplements aside from herbs, or what exercise regimes they were on.
It also gives no reasoning for why 300mg was administered, as some supplements can be stated as beneficial with certain doses, purely because using an excess amount causes no side effects up to a point, so if you get results using an exaggerated dose, you'd not question it, but then you'd be buying it more often.
Any product you suspected of being marketed that way, could be dosed for 1-2 weeks at a half dose, then at a full dose for 1-2 weeks afterwards. If results or effects seemed constant then it's a con, but if they improved it might not be.
The video made no light of what the study was called or how to access it, nor were there any links to it, so how would anyone be reasonably expected to find the study, just by chancing it on google and the video makes no mention of any further studies bolstering or partially / completely debunking the original, so after 14 years, is there anything to enhance or challenge the integrity of the original study and if so why not reference it?
As for a reporter using it, she used it with a colon cleanser, so no isolation of the product there then and after stopping using the colon cleanser, which generally occurs within 2-3 weeks at most, what weight regain occurred and how much G C was she even using at the time and did she stop using G C or carry on after she curtailed use of the cleanser?
The blogger is not named, as it says "one blogger", which means it could be Julia Miller and then again not, but she gives no account of her experience other than it states she used the G C for 4 weeks, but in what circumstances and how much is not disclosed, unless she is the seemingly unnamed blogger.
Sandy from Manchester and Lisa from Norwich look legit, no faked photos, but neither seem to give any account of their experiences, as clicking those photos takes you to an offer page, not any blogs, or internet testimonials by either and neither is named as "the blogger".
The doubling up of the G C with Coffee Bean max means again no isolation of the G C, so no way to ascertain what the G C would do, as the other product claimed to regulate metabolism.
Now if you took G C with something like vit c for example, then fair enough, as vit c can boost immune function, boost iron uptake and produce collagen for bones, skin and teeth, so it shouldn't have any effect on weight loss per se, or none that I know of.
However combining an alleged weight loss product with something else listed as "helps to regulate metabolism", means a conflict of interest, because without product isolation as opposed to combination, how do you know what proportion of the weight loss was down to one, both or neither products?
This looks like a smoke and mirrors exercise, of telling you what they want you to know not what they don't and it throws up too many questions and as a marketing tool, it seems about as transparent to me as muddy water.
I'd say AVOID, because not even referencing the original study, so potential users could see if any of the write-up tallies with that websites claims, is a bit weak and leaves the faint possibility open that no study ever existed to begin with.
If this website is seriously trying to promote Garcinia Cambogia as any sort of weight loss answer, then it's doing a pretty terrible job. All style, little substance and this is possibly the sort of person that might trust what that site says.
Hopefully I've answered your query effectively
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That video sounded suspicious.
3.5kg is a difference of 2.3kg's versus the 1.2kg and when I tired to work that out it came in at around 65% difference, comparing 2.3 to 3.5, so I don't know how that 85% number they stated was derived.
It said the group given Garcinia Cambogia were given other herbs, but which "other herbs" were not stated and that could have impacted on the weight loss, because you're not isolating the effects of the G C and as the "other herbs" are not stated, then how many of them have touted connections to weight loss, because if any of them do, then isolation of G C was not achieved, making it pretty much impossible to know or prove, if G C had any effect on weight versus any or all of the other herbs.
That's like telling someone to cut their carbs by 20% and also start walking a mile a day, then saying the weight loss was down to reduced carbs. Whereas if it was simply either cut carbs, or walk a mile a day, that person would know what effect the one thing had on their weight.
It also mentions nothing about the control group at all.
It mentions nothing about what sort of diet any of the two groups of people were on; what starting weights, what age range, what gender, how many, were they using any other supplements aside from herbs, or what exercise regimes they were on.
It also gives no reasoning for why 300mg was administered, as some supplements can be stated as beneficial with certain doses, purely because using an excess amount causes no side effects up to a point, so if you get results using an exaggerated dose, you'd not question it, but then you'd be buying it more often.
Any product you suspected of being marketed that way, could be dosed for 1-2 weeks at a half dose, then at a full dose for 1-2 weeks afterwards. If results or effects seemed constant then it's a con, but if they improved it might not be.
The video made no light of what the study was called or how to access it, nor were there any links to it, so how would anyone be reasonably expected to find the study, just by chancing it on google and the video makes no mention of any further studies bolstering or partially / completely debunking the original, so after 14 years, is there anything to enhance or challenge the integrity of the original study and if so why not reference it?
As for a reporter using it, she used it with a colon cleanser, so no isolation of the product there then and after stopping using the colon cleanser, which generally occurs within 2-3 weeks at most, what weight regain occurred and how much G C was she even using at the time and did she stop using G C or carry on after she curtailed use of the cleanser?
The blogger is not named, as it says "one blogger", which means it could be Julia Miller and then again not, but she gives no account of her experience other than it states she used the G C for 4 weeks, but in what circumstances and how much is not disclosed, unless she is the seemingly unnamed blogger.
Sandy from Manchester and Lisa from Norwich look legit, no faked photos, but neither seem to give any account of their experiences, as clicking those photos takes you to an offer page, not any blogs, or internet testimonials by either and neither is named as "the blogger".
The doubling up of the G C with Coffee Bean max means again no isolation of the G C, so no way to ascertain what the G C would do, as the other product claimed to regulate metabolism.
Now if you took G C with something like vit c for example, then fair enough, as vit c can boost immune function, boost iron uptake and produce collagen for bones, skin and teeth, so it shouldn't have any effect on weight loss per se, or none that I know of.
However combining an alleged weight loss product with something else listed as "helps to regulate metabolism", means a conflict of interest, because without product isolation as opposed to combination, how do you know what proportion of the weight loss was down to one, both or neither products?
This looks like a smoke and mirrors exercise, of telling you what they want you to know not what they don't and it throws up too many questions and as a marketing tool, it seems about as transparent to me as muddy water.
I'd say AVOID, because not even referencing the original study, so potential users could see if any of the write-up tallies with that websites claims, is a bit weak and leaves the faint possibility open that no study ever existed to begin with.
If this website is seriously trying to promote Garcinia Cambogia as any sort of weight loss answer, then it's doing a pretty terrible job. All style, little substance and this is possibly the sort of person that might trust what that site says.
Hopefully I've answered your query effectively
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