Hi:
I have been in a plateau for a long time. I tried a new workout and diet, but didn't work - I mean, I didn't gain even a pound.
So I wonder if something else could be wrong (do I need supplements: NO, BCAA...?)
OR should I try again a new change in workout.
Thanks!!!
New workout or supplements?
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Re: New workout or supplements?
What do you mean by new diet?
Do you mean a different diet plan, like one of those ones endorsed by famous people or literature, or do you just mean increasing calories.
Do you mean a different diet plan, like one of those ones endorsed by famous people or literature, or do you just mean increasing calories.
Re: New workout or supplements?
No, I do not read that kind of magz. I mean: I know I have to eat a defined amount of prots/carbs/fats. The new diet would be trying to change the sources -again.Boss Man wrote:What do you mean by new diet?
Do you mean a different diet plan, like one of those ones endorsed by famous people or literature, or do you just mean increasing calories.
I also tried including protein bars and powders, but that didn't work.
Re: New workout or supplements?
Add more calories in then.
I'd suggest for now a moderate increase, because if you just go for 1,000+ you're in danger of putting on too much added fat with muscle, that would be hard to shift.
If you aim for about 300 more calories a day, assuming you're eating 6 meals a day, you could add another 50 calories a meal and do it roughly like this.
5g Protein, 5g Carbs, 1g Fat.
Continue to add another 300 calories in every time you plateau.
You only need around 1.2g protein per lb bodyweight, 1.5g max, so if you think at some point your Protein is good, increase calories in this way.
5g Carbs, 3-4g Fat.
I'd suggest for now a moderate increase, because if you just go for 1,000+ you're in danger of putting on too much added fat with muscle, that would be hard to shift.
If you aim for about 300 more calories a day, assuming you're eating 6 meals a day, you could add another 50 calories a meal and do it roughly like this.
5g Protein, 5g Carbs, 1g Fat.
Continue to add another 300 calories in every time you plateau.
You only need around 1.2g protein per lb bodyweight, 1.5g max, so if you think at some point your Protein is good, increase calories in this way.
5g Carbs, 3-4g Fat.
Re: New workout or supplements?
OK thanks so much, I will take it into account -Boss Man wrote:Add more calories in then.
I'd suggest for now a moderate increase, because if you just go for 1,000+ you're in danger of putting on too much added fat with muscle, that would be hard to shift.
If you aim for about 300 more calories a day, assuming you're eating 6 meals a day, you could add another 50 calories a meal and do it roughly like this.
5g Protein, 5g Carbs, 1g Fat.
Continue to add another 300 calories in every time you plateau.
You only need around 1.2g protein per lb bodyweight, 1.5g max, so if you think at some point your Protein is good, increase calories in this way.
5g Carbs, 3-4g Fat.
Just one final question; despite the big marketing, do you think it would be useful adding NO, BCAA and/or creatine or is diet enough?
Thanks!!!
Re: New workout or supplements?
NO. It answers itself 
BCAA's, yes useful enough.
Creatine, in the future maybe, but I think it works bettter for big guys.
BCAA's, yes useful enough.
Creatine, in the future maybe, but I think it works bettter for big guys.
Re: New workout or supplements?
I've had the same problem.. After 4 years in the GYM progress was slow . I changed diets but nothin.. Sometimes you need to take some supplements to see the progress and get motivated..
Re: New workout or supplements?
Supplements aren't necessary to progress. Think about it; if they were then Arnie S would have needed steroids after about 6-12 months of lifting, due to the lack of supplements available in the 1960's.
People like him are probably a 99.99% schewin to have got big before jucing and just off hard work and calories alone.
Now I'm not decrying sports related supplements, as I mentioned a few in an above post, though many sports related supplements I do feel are expensive, pointless, overhyped rubbish and sometimes loaded with smoke and mirrors marketing, like "another company is supposedly making this, but they haven't said they will make any more", as if the company stating this would either, if their sales of the first batch weren't even enough to cover the production costs.
The problem with supplements of this kind is, the market is now saturated with them and everyone wants to play upon someones fear of not getting fit and / or strong enough or slim enough and they use famous people to endorse them, which is no guarantee that the sportsperson knows about possible side effects from ingredients, or in conjunction with alcohol, caffeine or medications, or whether the levels of ingredients make the product value for money, nor is it a guarantee they even take what they claim to promote.
I saw a guy in a magazine saying once, some people endorse other companies products but secretly they take ours, which potentially means this.
You're supposed to believe anyone endorsing his stuff would never be doing it for the money and not actually using his stuff, but then even if they were, how would you find out, because sure as heck the individual wouldn't admit it, except maybe years later.
I forget what brand he promoted, but logically he's not going to say, we had a top level baseball player saying he used our protein powder, then found out he used brand X and were so shocked, we sued him for the endorsement fees we'd paid and dropped him from our rosta of willing pro's.
I'd bet any company finding a willing sportsperson doing the dirty and cosying up to another companies brands, wouldn't care that much, as long the person used an alternative brand only and did zero promotion, as it wouldn't look good if some guy clamed to use Maximuscle Biomax, then in another advert the following week, was claiming to use Title Boxing Megatein, but if the second product was only used not promoted, would Maximuscle care that much?
Perceived brand image is everything, but the marketplace is so full of garbage products and spin, it must be a bit like trying to run the hundred and ten metre hurdles wearing flippers and hoping for success, which you might get if you were up against only 2 other competitors wearing spikes, who both tore a hamstring half way.
Often lack of progress is mostly down to inadequate calories. If calories are increased and the plataeu is not rectified, thne consider a workout change. However people, myself included, have gone through differing workouts before getting nowhere, only to discover calories were not great.
So there's no end to the different ways you could bust your nuts, but if you don't eat right, then you'll get practically no further beyond the point at which you stalled on results.
People like him are probably a 99.99% schewin to have got big before jucing and just off hard work and calories alone.
Now I'm not decrying sports related supplements, as I mentioned a few in an above post, though many sports related supplements I do feel are expensive, pointless, overhyped rubbish and sometimes loaded with smoke and mirrors marketing, like "another company is supposedly making this, but they haven't said they will make any more", as if the company stating this would either, if their sales of the first batch weren't even enough to cover the production costs.
The problem with supplements of this kind is, the market is now saturated with them and everyone wants to play upon someones fear of not getting fit and / or strong enough or slim enough and they use famous people to endorse them, which is no guarantee that the sportsperson knows about possible side effects from ingredients, or in conjunction with alcohol, caffeine or medications, or whether the levels of ingredients make the product value for money, nor is it a guarantee they even take what they claim to promote.
I saw a guy in a magazine saying once, some people endorse other companies products but secretly they take ours, which potentially means this.
You're supposed to believe anyone endorsing his stuff would never be doing it for the money and not actually using his stuff, but then even if they were, how would you find out, because sure as heck the individual wouldn't admit it, except maybe years later.
I forget what brand he promoted, but logically he's not going to say, we had a top level baseball player saying he used our protein powder, then found out he used brand X and were so shocked, we sued him for the endorsement fees we'd paid and dropped him from our rosta of willing pro's.
I'd bet any company finding a willing sportsperson doing the dirty and cosying up to another companies brands, wouldn't care that much, as long the person used an alternative brand only and did zero promotion, as it wouldn't look good if some guy clamed to use Maximuscle Biomax, then in another advert the following week, was claiming to use Title Boxing Megatein, but if the second product was only used not promoted, would Maximuscle care that much?
Perceived brand image is everything, but the marketplace is so full of garbage products and spin, it must be a bit like trying to run the hundred and ten metre hurdles wearing flippers and hoping for success, which you might get if you were up against only 2 other competitors wearing spikes, who both tore a hamstring half way.
Often lack of progress is mostly down to inadequate calories. If calories are increased and the plataeu is not rectified, thne consider a workout change. However people, myself included, have gone through differing workouts before getting nowhere, only to discover calories were not great.
So there's no end to the different ways you could bust your nuts, but if you don't eat right, then you'll get practically no further beyond the point at which you stalled on results.