Diet. How many calories do i really need

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:00 pm

here's what it is and i'll be blunt..

all those numbers mean zip to me as your metabolim is probably complelety screwed...meaning if you won't "lose wt on 1026cals" then you're in trouble land, ecspecially at 190pds

toss all those numbers out, all of them

eat this:

1 - fruit, oatmeal, milk, 1/2 protein shake with water
2 - fruit, solid protein, veg, salad
3 - solid protein, veg, salad
4 - solid protein, veg, salad
5 - solid protein, veg, salad

whenever you train insert this after it:

protein shake, sugary cerial and milk or rice or pasta or bread

then simply continue on the plan where it left off

now for portion size you want a plam sized portion oif protein where it says solid protein and it has to be actual food...veggies are to be 1cp each time, fruit is 1 peice...oatmeal is a medium bowlful whatever that is

now if you need to stuff yourself then do so...in 2 - 3 weeks you're metabolism will ramp up and you'll need this at a minimum then we can build on it...eat by thye clock, not by your stomach so at 6 mealsa a day you'll eat every 3hrs or so depending on your waking hrs

plan out each day the night before so there's nothing left to chance, go shopping and prepare whatever you need to

keep me posted

carefree · Post by **carefree** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:38 pm

Hello Swanso

Great advice mate, but there is simply no chance of me eating that amount of food, there's just no way. Dont ask me why cos i dont know. I really appreciate your advice and if ever i can get calories up to around 2500 a day i will come back to you for this sound advice. I think i have other issues that i need to sort first. This is why i started this so i can see how little i really do eat and then maybe try and sort it. If things dont work out i will have to talk to someone about it, maybe the doctors or Mrs. Even reading your post about that much food had me shaking, lol, what a fucked up tart i am.

Thanks for the post you really are kind

DianaB · Post by **DianaB** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:03 pm

carefree wrote:Hello Swanso

Great advice mate, but there is simply no chance of me eating that amount of food, there's just no way. Dont ask me why cos i dont know. I really appreciate your advice and if ever i can get calories up to around 2500 a day i will come back to you for this sound advice. I think i have other issues that i need to sort first. This is why i started this so i can see how little i really do eat and then maybe try and sort it. If things dont work out i will have to talk to someone about it, maybe the doctors or Mrs. Even reading your post about that much food had me shaking, lol, what a fucked up tart i am.

Thanks for the post you really are kind

Dude, you have some really negative vibes about yourself. And you are right, if looking at a normal diet scares you, go get some help. Your not a tart (maybe you mean a 'tard LOL I'm KIDDING). Good luck and take action with this issue, ASAP.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:39 pm

all these excuses are weak, they really are...if chicks with eating disorders can come around then surely you can...

you don't need to knoiw exactly how little you eat, it's not enough...no numbers required to see that

it's not really that much food and we can spread it out as long as we want

2 weeks at 3 meals (meals 1, 2 and 3)
2 weeks at 4 meals
2 weeks at 5 meals
2 wekks at 6 meals

if we get you exercising properly to increase your energy requirements, you'll be hungry more often and you'll need to eat

i don't really care about calories at the moment, i just want some frequent feedings going on with you

have a crack at least, you're being soft and childish if you don't

carefree · Post by **carefree** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:54 pm

Yesterday was a day to just forget so i have. Today, Friday, is weekly weigh day and weight has gone down by 3lbs, i am now 12st 13Lbs (181Lbs). Been to the Gym 5 times this week, with 2 cardio and 3 weight training. Next week i will up calorie intake to 1200, and 1400 calories on gym days. Sine i have started this i have had more energy and i do feel that i am getting on top of things. Its getting harder to get the calories in, it is very difficult to eat when you are just not hungry.

Katiekate · Post by **Katiekate** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:15 pm

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:17 pm

I'd agree with the above. If you have an eating disorder, you need to be careful starting exercise. Exercise can increase Metabolism, and manipulate the Thyroid.

If you have an eating disorder, you might already have caused issues to your Thyroid, which could mean problems producing, TSH, T3, T4 or Calcitonin. Particularly with TSh, as that's a biggie, and partially controls T3 and T4 creation and usage.

Also Calcitonin can affect Bones, as it plays it's part in the formation of Bone, by working with certain Micronutrients. Exercise might not too good at this stage, if your Thyroid is functioning a bit poorly, and it's affecting Metabolism and Bones, as you don't want increased Bone issues, from exercise, because their tolerances have been reduced by underperforming Thyroid activity.

You need to seek medical assistance, as you need to know if the exercise and your previous issues, may be combining to have a problematic affect.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:49 pm

at least can the cardio...keep the wts though to keep bones strong

carefree · Post by **carefree** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:09 am

Not sure how true new scales are but i have just got them, they are called Mibody, they are meant to be good. They are telling me that weight is 12st 13lb fat 17.4 muscle 41.4 Water 60.9 bmi 20.1. fat goes down every week and muscle seems to be going up, but only if i do go to the gym. I dont know how good they really are but that cost me enough money so i would like to think they are as near as i am going to get. I am upping calorie intake again this week, starting with yesterday, and sll went well as i was hungry, so i eat, and eat all that i set myself. I have never admitted to anyone that i have a eating disorder, but be i do have some problems with food.
Have a great weekend

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:21 am

it soesn';t matter if they are out or not as the variance will always stay the same so as long as muscle is going up, water is going up and fat is going down, all is good

you're getting hungry which is metabolism raising to keep making those increases

carefree · Post by **carefree** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:53 am

I do feel a lot happier today, all ready had porridge with protein powder (250 Calories) and i have just finished eating plan for the next eight weeks. I will continue with new plan as it dose seem to be working. As someone said to me on here, I must eat at the times i have set and not just when i feel hungry. And i must NOT take any notice of the voice in head that keep telling me not to eat this and not to eat that, or the eat it later voice that i always hear. I still have band list of foods, and eat sparingly list of foods. I have had these for years now but maybe and with the help of shape fit, i might be able to start eating from that list, but one step at a time i think.

carefree · Post by **carefree** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:55 am

swanso5 wrote:it soesn';t matter if they are out or not as the variance will always stay the same so as long as muscle is going up, water is going up and fat is going down, all is good

you're getting hungry which is metabolism raising to keep making those increases

Yes i will do. Thanks for all your help, friend

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:26 am

i eat very few foods myself...i just eat a lot of them is all...you'll be right mate

vamp · Post by **vamp** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:14 pm

I don't know if this will help but,

I don't count calories, I count meals, I try for protein every meal (solid) Fruit I love and veggies so I have some every meal although trying to keep most of the fruit to the morning hours. And like all us humans, I love carbs: breads, cereals, pastas, etc. I'm trying to start keeping those in the earlier part of the day.

Calories are numbers and you can go crazy trying to calculate them all, keep portions at about a handful and you are doing well. Drink your milk and water and you'll be good.

Also, I eat between 5-8 meals a day aiming towards the 8 meals.

Swanso I now call each time I eat a meal, so I'm averaging six now.

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:54 pm

swanso5 wrote:keep the wts though to keep bones strong

I would politely disagree here. owing to the possible Metabolism issues this person may be getting, and potential Thyroid issues as well, from old habits, at least a medical opinion, should be sought in honest opinion.

If this person has a Thyroid issue, which could relate to Bone also. weightbearing exercise may put stress on the Bones when they're not able to handle it, like normal.

Carefree, please at least see a medical person, just to be on the safe side. I personally would really like to see you exercise well, and progress, but if you're getting sudden weight loss, and you have or had an also, your Thyroid is potentially not going to be benefitting, from Thyroid stimulating things like Exercise, which increase Metabolism.

You may have more underlying problems, than just a slight issue with Metabolism, caused by improper dietry habits.

You may find for example, you need to incorporate a bit of Iodine into your regime, as T3 and T4 Thyroid Hormones, have Iodine in them. T4 having one more molecule than T3.

So as I say, I don't want you stop exercising, but a medical opinion may be needed, to make sure the exercise isn't working against you in some way, just like Katie said

That rapid weight loss didnt happen for a reason, unless you've been possibly eating as much as a 3 year old, and I doubt that.

I know it might seem hard to sit face to face with someone, and tell them the kind of things you've been doing on here, but you can't expect to eat less than 1,500 calories, exercise, then lose 3lbs a week, and not have a possible Thyorid issue, given your past.

So you need to rule out a Thyroid issue, and if your Thyroid isn't helping you to produce, or utilise the right levels of Calcitonin, you might be potentially getting poor Bone health, not to mention your 1,400 cals a day, may very be very low on one or more of Calcium, Magnesium, K2 and Vit D, all major players on Bone health.

At this stage, weight bearing exercises, on potentially weakened Bones, may be a problem waiting to happen.

Take care yeah

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