Hi gentleman, thanks for the responses and the info so far. Now I started the Waterbury routine on Monday and today is third day in it. I have to say its painfull, still reeling from the grilling i gave myself on Monday. I can even start to see some definitions ( or are they optical illusions lol) b...

Hello there guys, this is first post and am not sure if its in correct board...so if not feel free to move it to the relevant one! Ok, here we go, I am 18 yrs, 5' 7 and 85kg. I have been trying to be muscly (or leaner- :D either can do!) all life and i think i have exhausted every workout program or...