Fat Acceptance Kooks Trashing the Late Jack LaLanne

[MrObjective]

I have never had much use for the fat acceptance movement but this time they have really crossed the line.
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Jack LaLanne was a great guy. What he said 60 years ago about health and fitness is still valid today.

I have gone onto Bigger Fatter Blog and I let them know how much disdain I have for them and their trashing of Jack.

[Boss Man]

Some if not all the people who run that site, have a retarded attitude to their weight.

Some guy saying I'm 59 and I have good Blood pressure and good Cholesterol, well good for him, he's Mr Exception to the rule more than likely, then he claims his Arthritis has nothing to do with being Fat. Newsflash, it certainly won't be alieviating some of the pain.

I don't hate Fat people, except ones with bad attitudes to others, same as anyone with a bad attitude, black, gay, fat, Chinese, ginger haired, Swedish whoever, the attitude is a problem not the person.

However why some people go around constantly being fat, day in day out like it's normal, doing nothing to change it, confuses me. I've seen people walking around past slim people, not even batting an eyelid, as if they're body mass is a normal part of lifes progression.

People were never designed to become that way, regardless of body type. Yes being endomorphic makes it harder to be slim, but excuses and waffling about I can't do this, I can't do that, it's glands, doesn't correct a problem many other overweight people succeed in beating and I might add without Gastric Balloon or Bypass surgeries.

Here's another story similar to La Lanne.

Stanley Matthews or Stan Matthews as he often was called, played professional football in England many years ago.

He started playing well over 60 years ago, at a time when many other players, smoked, ate pies and fry-ups, and drank quite a fair bit.

In his time, particularly at Blackpool which is on the coast, he ran on the beach, but in his whole career, he never smoked or drank, he never ate fried Breakfasts, not that I'm aware of and had Cereal and Juice type Breakfasts instead.

He was nicknamed the "Wizard of Dribble", so-called because his ability to bob and weave on the pitch, with minor ball control movements, (referred to as dribbling), was legendary.

At the time he played, many top players, (except goalkeepers), were unable to play top level football, either due to loss of skill and / or fitness, by the age of 32 / 33.

He on the other hand played his last top level game for Stoke at 50. He was awarded European footballer of the year in his early 40's and still played for England as well.

Even in the 1970's after had had stopped playing. Quite a number of footballers enjoyed a pie a smoke and a drink, though less smoked than before.

These days in the big money Premier League, with specialised training, diets, computerised match analysis, advanced Pysiotherapy techniques and training facilities, oh and massive scrutiny, a small percentage of players still like the boozy culture, plus the very very few have a smoke, but many outfield players still don't have the fitness or skill retention to last beyond 36 at the top level.

One notable player in recent years being Stewart Pearce, who played in defence for West Ham in the Premier league at 37 and was awarded 3 England Caps at that time, in himself still a rarity in the modern game, with many outfield players not playing for their country again after 34-35, regardless of the country or it's current ability.

Matthews lived in a way that was in many ways unique, compared to other sportspeople and the wider public. Some speculate that in the faster, more pacier modern game, such a man would never be able to achieve or last quite as much as he did do, but he will almost always be in anyones all time England 11.

La Lanne personified forward thinking, when even now, some live like crap and espouse anti- good life thinking, such as some of the people on that fat blog do.

People like La Lanne and Matthews are a rare breed, the like of which will surely never be seen again. Men who chose a path less trodden in how they lived, a path now more well trodden, making people like them less unique and now less likely to be physical giants of an era, when the numbers have risen so greatly in the past 30-40 years, coupled with increased health knowledge and propaganda.

Whilst I don't strive to be the equal of such men, I strive to be the equal of what I think I can be as a man. An imperfect, but ultimately far from slobby individual. I live with the imperfections, but hopefully I'll live long with them too, aided by the perfections if you can call them that.

[Bonnie]

I can't relate to the term BBW..whats so beautiful about big women ? I see big people of either gender & see medical costs, nothing personal.I had young girl sit by me on the bus, her one leg, was as big as entire trunk, how do they not SEE this ?..I blame it on society in the form of BBW terminology, making it all okay ?..

[fitoverforty]

As far as the whole "fat acceptance" thing, I think it is more of a "if I say it enough and promote it enough, then it will eventually become accepted" kind of mentality.
It's easier to try to explain it, glorify it, brag about it, than to face it, change it, and overcome it. (dang, that needs to be a bumper sticker!)

But to put down and trash someone like Jack LaLanne, who lived his life in a healthy manner, and tried to help others do the same, is just pathetic and sad.
RIP Mr. LaLanne

[MrObjective]

Jack was the man.

If you think about it all fat people are members of the fat acceptance movement. They clearly accept their obesity and do little or nothing about it other than make excuses. At least that Bigger Fatter Blog is telling fat people to accept their gluttony. That's a lot more honest than saying their fat is caused by some mysterious genetic disorder that defies the laws of physics.

[fit-fanatic-2025]

If you think about it all fat people are members of the fat acceptance movement. They clearly accept their obesity and do little or nothing about it other than make excuses.

that's a generalization about obese people that i disagree with. All fat people?? A lot of people that are overweight are trying to lose weight. A lot of them aren't happy with who they are and wish they could change. I thing there are a lot more factors than just doing little or nothing about it and making excuses.

[Bonnie]

Not really, in order to lose the fat, there are basic steps.There is no reason why overweight persons can't follow the steps, unless they really don't want to lose the weight or are unwilling to give up the foods that need to be given up.

[fit-fanatic-2025]

I don't think all fat people do little or nothing to change there ways. I think a lot of them try are unhapppy with who they are. I think that's a generalization. People smoke for years its like generalizing all people that smoke and asking why can't they quit. I disagree.

[Bonnie]

Well why can't they quit is indeed the question, they CAN they just choose NOT to.I have been addicted to drugs ( herion, cocaine etc etc, smoking, food ) & I STILL say its a CHOICE & until you decide you want to not be overweight or be addicted you will remain the same.No we should NOT make plane seats etc for those people they should have to walk or not travel until they adhere to the same rules as the rest of the world does.

[fit-fanatic-2025]

It's a choice, but i think it's a little more complicated than that. There are a lot of emotions and physical issues that can be tied up with it. I still disagree with Mr Objective. Its never all or nothing, or very rarely.

[Boss Man]

Generalising people with addictions doesn't work.

You could argue that there are two basic types of addict; the seeing and the blind.

1. I see a need to change.

2. I don't see a need to change.

Then you could dissect them further into personality types, or types of people they mix with, lifetime monies accrued, school and homelife as a child and maybe a few other factors as well.

Though just saying all addicts even those with less high profile addictions like Caffeine and Sugar, don't try or don't want to is too specific and unfair to some people that genuinely want to change.

[Bonnie]

I could give up caffeine if I REALLY wanted to, however I'm to lazy to bother with it, because its winter & I'm stuck in the house with not much escape.Theres an excuse.Define genuine desire to change ? I don't know why when it comes to addiction people always dive into,their past, childhood, economic situations.Sure they all have played a role in the addiction for sure, but they don't play a role in quitting, thats all on will power.Yes most people don't even see the problem I agree on that.

The reason I lost weight or started to, was because I refused to attend Grandmothers funeral with a slab of FAT & loose skin hanging off neck.I literally HATED myself.To avoid family when I know they would ask " So what do you do now ? " because I wasn't DOING anything with life.When I told mother I wasn't going & why, she looked at me & SAID in regards to that hideous thing on neck " but thats just AGE " bloody hell. Hence why I've busted to prove its NOT age. thoughts are shit or get off the pot.Though I've never been a half a$$ kind of person, what good is limbo ? After I lost some weight, came here & started to really work out, that i fell in love with the lifestyle.I never once had to visit childhood or blame someone or something else for mess.I spent 20 years feeling sorry for myself & blaming everything around me, not something I'd advise.

[fit-fanatic-2025]

No doubt bonnie you've had great success. You also have overcome a lot through pure hard work and determination. And definite kudos to you for accomplishing all that you have. You really have overcome a lot Bonnie.


People (including myself) make excuses no doubt about losing weight and other addictions and when it comes down to it, your right its up to you to fight your own issues. argument with mr objective is about stereotyping that all obese person's accept their obesity and do little or nothing to change it.

I disagree with that. I think a lot of them are unhappy with themselves and want to change, a lot probably don't want to change but some do. I don't think you should label people with specific ideas in your head about what their like as a person without knowing them.

[Bonnie]

Yes I went to that site, some of their attitudes are as belligerent as smokers or any other addict when cornered with the truth.I also do think he meant this type of person, we all know someone heavy who really would rather not be, but need a helping hand or encouragement along the way.I had many people encourage me, strangers basically from the gym, the people on here, I didn't do this totally alone Even though I believe in self motivation & will power I think I would suck at being one of those boot camp or biggest loser trainers. Due to the fact I don't think anyone will achieve a true lifestyle change through abuse.We will all help each other along

[fit-fanatic-2025]

I didn't go to the blog, I just read what he posted on here.

we all know someone heavy who really would rather not be, but need a helping hand or encouragement along the way.I had many people encourage me, strangers basically from the gym, the people on here, I didn't do this totally alone Even though I believe in self motivation & will power I think I would suck at being one of those boot camp or biggest loser trainers. Due to the fact I don't think anyone will achieve a true lifestyle change through abuse.We will all help each other along

I agree!