Anabolic Steroids ?

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:39 am

trainer only recommented me to increase overall bodymass and strengh, when I'm training with him, we concentrate on relflex, Boxe technics, endurance (cardio), Preparation and overall fights. This is five time a week. trainer have me and one other boxer with him. We just train practice togheter, but since me and that boxer are in competition the rest of the time we don't talk a lot to each other ... So I don't know his workout program, tough I can say that I'm more beef than him. You think that will a perfect diet I can handle 5 time a week of weights + boxe training ?

For sure i'll give a look too Chad Waterbury article !

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:41 am

- i suppose it depends on what wt class ytou're fighting in or plan to fight in as to whether you gain or lose wt
- i don't even do 5 x wts/week so you definately don't need to...as stated you'll need 3 at most but probably closer to 2...depends on your fighting schedule too...pre fight 2 max but if you have some time off than you might want to go to 3 to try and build some muscle but you won;t build any training for a fight, almost impossible

DianaB · Post by **DianaB** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:10 am

LOL, since I live in Quebec, people think I'm from CA, but that's west coast heritage! accent is a mix of valley girl and St.Leonard, as in "How you doin', dude".
Your quite the competitor! Me, I don't want to compete, not by a long shot, just sometimes feel like punching something would be theraputic.
I'm gonna look into Uni-Boxe and see if there is a facility close by. I'm not shy to try it, just I'm sure I punch like a girly-girl.
It's awesome that at 17 you are so devoted to your sport. Please let us know how your bouts progress and when you win a title. Maybe you will be the one who bring glory back to Quebec boxing, those of us who are not involved with the sport only hear about the contraversy over Hilton being allowed to fight again, and nonsense like that.
Ton anglais c'est tres bonne, j'espoir un jour j'ecrit en francais plus meiux (et parle aussi!)
diana

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:43 am

To Swanso : Okay so think 3 x weights a week is enough hum ? Lok at workout ATM :

Workout A : 3x8 Lunges
3x8 Biceps isolation
3x8 Calf Raises (barbell)
3x8 Biceps isolation
3x20 Frog Jumps
3x8 Close Grip Bench press

Workout B: 1x12 + 1x10 + 3x8 Barbell Bench Press (Rotate every workout from incline/decline/flat)
3x8 Dumbells Flys (Rotate between incline/decline/flat)
3x8 Dumbells bench press (Rotate incline/decline/flat)
3x20 Push-ups (Rotate incline/decline/flat)
3x20 Dips

Workout C: 5x20 Weighted Decline Abdominal Crunches
Stomach Vaccum 3 minsx10secs
3x20 Abdominal Leg Raises
Stomach Vaccum
3x20 Oblique Abs Exercises

Workout D: 3x8 Walking Lunges
3x8 Biceps Isolation
3x8 Deadlifts
3x8 Biceps Isolation
3x8 Squats (dumbells tough)

Workout E: 3x8 Millitary Press
3x8 Forearm Isolation
3x8 Traps
3x8 Barbell Deltoid Presses Behind Head

Workout F: 1x12 + 1x10 + 3x8 Stiffed Leg Deadlifts
Stomach Vaccum
5x8 Bent Over Row
Stomach Vaccum
5x8 Single Arm Dumbbell Rows
Stomach Vaccum

So usually :

Day 1: Workout A + Boxe
Day 2: Workout B + Boxe
Day 3: OFF + Boxe
Day 4: Workout C + Boxe
Day 5: Workout D
Day 6: Workout E + Boxe
Day 7: OFF
Day 8: Workout F

Repeat ...

For categories, at the moment im in heavy weight tough if i want ot stay in that categorie when I,ll reach up 18 years old, I need to gain 16lbs ... Thebn after reaching that 16 pounds i would like to reach 20 more and then I could have every chance on side ! I know it's a lot ...

Regarding Diana : Nice accents lol, for the boxe : Same if you don't wanna compete you'll love punching, are you gonna make some friendly fight with other womens (that boxe at your maybe futur center) ? I'm pretty sure you would like it

Tough before your first combat you'll have to learn the basics and be prepare ... first combat ever ( I won it for sure LOL) i was unable to do anything for a week after it ... "I'm not shy to try it, just I'm sure I punch like a girly-girl. " It's surely only an impression

"It's awesome that at 17 you are so devoted to your sport." I won't give up ! Yea for sure almost 95% of y combats are outside Quebec tough, if I can bring some credibility in the futur to the Quebec's Boxing I'll be honnored ... because you know Hilton is real : "Criss gros CrotÃƒÂ©" as would say any quebequer, if you want idea on this, hilton have the right to fight but the people who go watch him are really really stupid to encourage a pedophyle ...

DianaB · Post by **DianaB** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:20 am

I think I'd have a hard time to hit anyone, I'd be like ohmygawd, I'm soorrryyy! The I'd probley get hammered. Like to try hitting that big punching bag thing though...
You are 100% right about Hilton, he disgusts me and brings a bad name to your sport. He has the right to fight, I just feel bad for his opponents, who also have the right to fight and by bad luck get paired up with that slime ball.
Good to know there is a future for boxing in Quebec with dedicated athletes like yourself.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:10 pm

yeah that's far too much for liking and a fair bit of muscle/exercise overlap...

you don't want mass which doesn't neccesarily mean more power at the expense of quickness...quickness is king for boxing isn't it???

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:44 pm

Yes, to a great degree, but with boxing power, strength and technique are key components too, and sometimes a slice of luck

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After all a quick punch is nothing, if sometimes you end up throwing something akin to a glorified prod, but speed is potentially the most key factor in opinion.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:16 pm

in that regard, and i'm assuming from his boxing experience that he is profeccient in both speed and power (you can never be too strong though) a 40pd wt increase even if all muscle could possibly slow him down...if done over 5 - 8yrs than probably not but i bet he wants it quicker than that

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:28 pm

read:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=197338

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:23 pm

swanso5 wrote:in that regard, and i'm assuming from his boxing experience that he is profeccient in both speed and power (you can never be too strong though) a 40pd wt increase even if all muscle could possibly slow him down...if done over 5 - 8yrs than probably not but i bet he wants it quicker than that

I've read you article, seems okay, but a lot of things out there that I was already knowing/doing

5 years to get 40 muscle pounds is kinda great I tihnk, tough I need a 14 pounds in only 8 mounts

Or I won't be able to make tounament in categorie and I will fall in the tons of unknowed little boxer ... For speed, it comes with reflex training more than a particuliar weight training, but strengh comes almost entierly from muscle mass/weights training. Gaining 14lbs in 8 mounts WILL slow me a bit in conscient about this, but do you think that naturally I can go reach around 40 more muscle pounds before 22 (5 years) ? Or genetics can slow me or either heigh (Yea i'm only 5Ã‚ÂÃ‚Â'7) ?

Second point, yea i Know that in the opinion of you and Bossman too (I tihnk) I'm going way too much weights a week, but same if it's a lot, can I support a good recovery with diet ? Or something else maybe ...

To Diana : Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:

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I think I'd have a hard time to hit anyone, I'd be like ohmygawd, I'm soorrryyy! The I'd probley get hammered. Like to try hitting that big punching bag thing though...

LOL, you don't have to be sorry about punching someone in a Boxe Fight

For the punching bag, you'll see it's a great feeling when you just hit him with burst speed ! ...

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:41 pm

14pds in 8 months without fat gain??? impossible

speed that's what i mean...the more muscle, fat body wt or whatever you have though, the less speed you'll have as your trying to throw a heavier object...think throwing a baseball and shot put...you put oin the same effort but the baseball goes way faster

the wt gain also depends where you are now, body structure etc

6 sessions of wts can be suppoted with perfect food but coupled with other boxing sessions etc you couldn't possibly eat enough food to maintain your body let alone put muscle on it

quality over quantity...always remember that

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:49 am

swanso5 wrote:14pds in 8 months without fat gain??? impossible

speed that's what i mean...the more muscle, fat body wt or whatever you have though, the less speed you'll have as your trying to throw a heavier object...think throwing a baseball and shot put...you put oin the same effort but the baseball goes way faster

the wt gain also depends where you are now, body structure etc

6 sessions of wts can be suppoted with perfect food but coupled with other boxing sessions etc you couldn't possibly eat enough food to maintain your body let alone put muscle on it

quality over quantity...always remember that

Okay so a perfect diet you said ? look at mine :

So doing something like :

7:00 : Woke up, 4 slices of bread (62 g of carbs, 6 from fiber, 19g of protein, 4g of fat) + one tuna can (32g of protein, 0 fat, 0 carb)

9:00 : Workout !

10:00 : 4 slices of bread (62 g of carbs, 6 from fiber, 19g of protein, 4g of fat) + one tuna can (32g of protein, 0 fat, 0 carb) + Xg of non-slaty nuts

13:00 : At school, 8 egg white + 1/2 cup a skimmed milk (A total of 29.5 g of protein + 5.5g of carbs and 0 fat)

16:00 : At home, vegetables (Broccolis mostly) + 600g of yougout ( 48 grams carbs, 24 g protein and 0 fats) + Some fruits

19:00 : At work, 2 cups of skimmed milk ( 22 grams of carbs, 18 protein and 0 fat) + Xg of nut

22:00 : A tuna can ( 32 g of protein and 0 carbs/fat)

23:00 : Sleep time ...

Total : 205.5 grams of proteins
~230 grams of carbs
X grams of fats

Is this able to support something like at least 4 time a week + boxe sessions ?

"the wt gain also depends where you are now, body structure etc "

Hum, okay so I guess that 14 pounds over 8 mounts is unrealistique but does 40 over 5 years is possible ?

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:18 am

- a perfect is diet is knowing exactly how many calories you need to susatin bodywt, lose x amount of bodywt or increase x amount of bw...only then can you detirmine what foods, macronutrient % and timing you should use...in other words it is a lot of work and can often provide zero results
- there's not much fruit in there???? you should eat the clor of the rainbow each day from fruit
- you should have 10 - 12 serves of fruit/veg a day including the above point...search jon berardi fruit/veg serves and you'll get something what a serving size of each is
- the perfect diet wouldn't contain processed carbs such as bread
- it would also have a greater variety
- and solid food for all meals (not milk)
- probably not enough cal's to support all that

AS STATED 3 WT SESSIONS A WEEK...I'M NOT SAYING THAT AGAIN

4 sessions won't get you bigger than 4...you grow muscle when you're NOT training so if training everyday than when will you???

- 40pds over yrs is easily do able i think but very long term...8pds of muscle (nat fat or water) a year

if your naturally as big as your aim is, you will find it hard to even reach it and once you get there it will be hell to maintain it

Christopheel · Post by **Christopheel** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:21 am

swanso5 wrote:- a perfect is diet is knowing exactly how many calories you need to susatin bodywt, lose x amount of bodywt or increase x amount of bw...only then can you detirmine what foods, macronutrient % and timing you should use...in other words it is a lot of work and can often provide zero results
- there's not much fruit in there???? you should eat the clor of the rainbow each day from fruit
- you should have 10 - 12 serves of fruit/veg a day including the above point...search jon berardi fruit/veg serves and you'll get something what a serving size of each is
- the perfect diet wouldn't contain processed carbs such as bread
- it would also have a greater variety
- and solid food for all meals (not milk)
- probably not enough cal's to support all that

AS STATED 3 WT SESSIONS A WEEK...I'M NOT SAYING THAT AGAIN

4 sessions won't get you bigger than 4...you grow muscle when you're NOT training so if training everyday than when will you???

- 40pds over yrs is easily do able i think but very long term...8pds of muscle (nat fat or water) a year

if your naturally as big as your aim is, you will find it hard to even reach it and once you get there it will be hell to maintain it

For the fruit, I'M usually eating apples, raisins and sometimes watermelon ... for veg : carrots Brocollis are the one i usually have.

You say that I should'nt eat bread ? High Fiber, complex carbs and few nice proteins ... I don't know by what I should remplace bread for ...

For variety, sometimes I may have to replace tuna and milk by chicken turkey beef or either ham.

Solid food ? Same if i'm getting a nice amount of protein from milk/egg whites, and espessially when i'm at school or either job it's easier to take ...

I really don't know how to determine how many calories I would need and too if for exemple i need 2000, do I keep 2000 on off days ? I need some lights over this please.

Too, i don't know what you meant to say by : bit of muscle/exercise overlap...

Now you think something like this would be better :

Day 1 : Chest, Back ~50mins
Day 2 : OFF+ Boxe
Day 3 : Legs, Abs( Stomach Vaccum between every exercises only), Biceps ~50mins
Day 4 : Off + Boxe
Day 5 : Shoulders, Forearm, Traps, Biceps, Triceps ~50mins
Day 6 : OFF
Day 7 : Abs

I know it's 4 days, but the last one is only an add-on : Abs, because I don't really need too show them but they need to be solid as steel.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:09 pm

- i was going on "the perfect diet" which probably isn't doable in the real world where we work, go to school etc
- bread is processed (made) so again it wouldn't fit in the pefect diet but i love bread...as long as it's not white
- a tin of tuna would take 1min to eat so try and have these when you need something quick that you can't prepare such as school, work etc and not at home where you have time to cook a steak or whatever
- well it's almost impossible to get a perfect figure...BB's go on looks, some go on wt etc...first get yourself a good caorie counting book that has every food in it imaginable or learn to read labels which i think you can...take a scale wt. at night before bed..if possible get a wt, % and a water %...then for the next 7 days write down everything you eat and drink and count how cal's you consumed...divide by 7 days and there's your ave...not retake exactly 7 days later from 1st measurement to see if you lost, sustained or gained wt, muscle or water and we can go from there
- by muscle/exercise overlap i meant that there's similar exercises performed on the same day such as db bench press and incline press, same thing really...everyone does it and i don't why why
- do you only train for boxing 2/week?? full body routines will be best, not bodybuilding splits they're rubbish
- you'd be best erved to incorporate abs into regular wt days